2011 Team mate Wars

dannyjo22

dannyjo22

dannyjo22

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Rather than fill up the race threads with constant 'bickering' er debate ;) on team mates performance, how about a thread on how they are doing in comaprison to each other.

Team mates as of Canada qfy.


Vettel out-qualified Webber 6-1
Hamilton out-qualified Button 5-2
Alonso out-qualified Massa 7-0
Rosberg out-qualified M Sch 6-1
Petrov out-qualified Heidfeld 5-2
Barrichello out-qualified Maldonado 3-4
di Resta out-qualified Sutil 6-1
Kobayashi out-qualified Perez 3-4
Buemi out-qualified Alguersuari 6-1
Kovalainen out-qualified Trulli 6-1
Liuzzi out-qualified Karthi 6-1
Glock out-qualified D'Ambrosio 5-2

Race finishes after Canada

Vettel out-raced Webber 7-0
Hamilton out-raced Button 4-3
Alonso out-raced Massa 4-3
Rosberg out-raced M Sch 4-3
Petrov out-raced Heidfeld 3-4
Barrichello out-raced Maldonado 6-1
di Resta out-raced Sutil 3-3
Kobayashi out-raced Perez 3-1
Buemi out-raced Alguersuari 6-1
Kovalainen out-raced Trulli 2-5
Liuzzi out-raced Karthi 4-2
Glock out-raced D'Ambrosio 2-5


Average qualifying gaps after Canada

Vettel to Webber -0.436
Hamilton to Button -0.01
Alonso to Massa -0.383
Rosberg to M Sch -0.251
Petrov to Heidfeld -0.616
Barrichello to Maldonado +0.428
di Resta to Sutil -0.825
Kobayashi to Perez -0.139
Buemi to Alguersuari -0.428
Kovalainen to Trulli -0.314
Liuzzi to Karthi -0.616
Glock to D'Ambrosio -0.471

Average qually position

Vet 1.14
Web 4.86
Ham 4
But 4.29
Alo 4.29
Mas 6.86
Msc 9.57
Ros 6.14
Hei 13.86
Pet 8.14
Bar 14.86
Mal 13.29
Sut 14.43
DIR 12.71
Kob 13.43
Per 13.6
Bue 12.71
Alg 14.14
Kov 18.14
Tru 19.14
Kar 23.83
Lui 21.83
Glo 21
Amb 21.43

Average finish position (races finished)

Vet 1.3 (7)
Web 3.6 (7)
Ham 3.8 (6)
But 3.6 (7)
Alo 4.5 (6)
Mas 7.0 (5)
Msc 7.8 (5)
Ros 8.5 (6)
Hei 8.3 (6)
Pet 8.8 (6)
Bar 12.2 (5)
Mal 17.0 (4)
Sut 11.3 (6)
DIR 12.2 (6)
Kob 8.2 (6)
Per 13.3 (3)
Bue 11.1 (7)
Alg 13.0 (5)
Kov 16.0 (5)
Tru 16.2 (6)
Kar 19.8 (5)
Lui 18.3 (4)
Glo 17.8 (4)
Amb 17.2 (6)



Only surprise for me so far is Di Resta, I think he's doing a really good job against Sutil. Msc on course for another season of pain from Rosberg. Unless he's turned that round by 2/3rds distance he really should think again about a 3rd year because the team would need to look at not giving him a new contract and that will be a touch embarrasing.

I have to admit Heidfeld is doing much better than I thought he would. A real shame that car was never in the hands of Kubica, I think it could have been a challenger for race wins this season.

Webber and Massa of course also under pressure for a contract next year, I really don't know who I'd replace them with that might do a better job.
 
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I have to admit about being wrong about Button so far as well this year. I expected him to be further away from Hamilton this year than last. Even though he has had a year at the team I expected not running KERs in 09 would put him on the back foot more to Lewis.

So far he has coped really well, the change in tyres might have helped level it up but so far JB has done a great job.

Webber needs a change in luck before the guy gets broken :(
 
I'm proper impressed with Di Resta

he's punching well above his weight.

I hope he has a bright future ahead of him. Will be great to see another brit up the top of the grid.
 
Yep he's doing a great job, only follow f1 so never heard of him before, he will be going on the sig next year. As you, I hope he gets a top drive. Also like his interviews as well just seems like a nice guy.
 
MrLOL said:
I'm proper impressed with Di Resta
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I'm impressed but not surprised, he's always been quick. He beat Vettel in the same team whilst in F3 to win the title.

Quite impressed with Perez too, watched him at Spa last year and he stood out and now he's holding his own with Kobayashi.

Hope Webber gets some luck soon and Rosberg enjoys some success.
 
dannyjo22 said:
I have to admit about being wrong about Button so far as well this year. I expected him to be further away from Hamilton this year than last. Even though he has had a year at the team I expected not running KERs in 09 would put him on the back foot more to Lewis.

So far he has coped really well, the change in tyres might have helped level it up but so far JB has done a great job.
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TBH I expected the change of tyres to help Button compared to Hamilton - button has a lot of years in F1 under his belt and went through the michelin/bridgestone tyre wars.

It could be that Hamilton doesn't manage to out qualify or outscore his team mate this year.

I expected Schumacher to make gains for the same reason, but I hadn't taken into account he was driving a Ferrari with Bridgestones that were largely designed around him.
 
please explain how rosberg out raced schumacher 1-1
when both drivers failed to finish in aus and did not get classified so neither should get a point for aus.

same as glock finished 9 laps down but was outside of the 90% race distance rule so did not get classified.

you even call it "race finishes" neither finished any race that week end
 
arknor said:
please explain how rosberg out raced schumacher 1-1
when both drivers failed to finish in aus and did not get classified so neither should get a point for aus.

same as glock finished 9 laps down but was outside of the 90% race distance rule so did not get classified.

you even call it "race finishes" neither finished any race that week end
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Mercedes rageeeeeeee :o:D
 
arknor said:
please explain how rosberg out raced schumacher 1-1
when both drivers failed to finish in aus and did not get classified so neither should get a point for aus.

same as glock finished 9 laps down but was outside of the 90% race distance rule so did not get classified.

you even call it "race finishes" neither finished any race that week end
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Aye but when it matters mate, Nico is a good 3-4 tenths quicker than Michael.

It was totally the wrong decision to come back, however being a massive schumi fan I would love to see him at least get on the podium. To be honest I can't see it happening but you never know :(
 
Team mates as of China qfy.


Vettel out-qualified Webber 3-0
Hamilton out-qualified Button 2-1
Alonso out-qualified Massa 3-0
Rosberg out-qualified M Sch 3-0
Petrov out-qualified Heidfeld 2-1
Barrichello out-qualified Maldonado 2-1
di Resta out-qualified Sutil 3-0
Kobayashi out-qualified Perez 2-1
Buemi out-qualified Alguersuari 2-1
Kovalainen out-qualified Trulli 3-0
Liuzzi out-qualified Karthi 3-0
Glock out-qualified D'Ambrosio 2-1

Race finishes after China

Vettel out-raced Webber 3-0
Hamilton out-raced Button 2-1
Alonso out-raced Massa 1-2
Rosberg out-raced M Sch 2-1
Petrov out-raced Heidfeld 2-1
Barrichello out-raced Maldonado 3-0
di Resta out-raced Sutil 2-1
Kobayashi out-raced Perez 2-1
Buemi out-raced Alguersuari 3-0
Kovalainen out-raced Trulli 2-1
Liuzzi out-raced Karthi 2-0
Glock out-raced D'Ambrosio 2-1

Rosberg did a great job again, best thing that's happened to him is having MS raise his stock. Solid drive again even though MS had one of his best performances since returning Nico did a better job.

Massa did a decent job again, for a while it looked like Alonso was just biding his time but clearly the car had something broken on the rear wing.

Di Resta won't be in a midfield car for long. I wonder how long it will be before Ferrari get in touch.

Williams letting the Hulk go still doesn't make sense to me.
 
Johnz0r said:
Aye but when it matters mate, Nico is a good 3-4 tenths quicker than Michael.

It was totally the wrong decision to come back, however being a massive schumi fan I would love to see him at least get on the podium. To be honest I can't see it happening but you never know :(
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dood check the sector times and the race fastest lap theres barely anything in it.

schumacher had to battle with cars for most of the race so his first 2 stints werent great but his last stint was much better than rosbergs and he was hunting down alonso at the end by over a second a lap for pretty much the whole stint.

weve all seen what happens to rosberg when he starts around 14th he tends to end the race without much progress hes only good on a clear track much like vettel.

anyway thread is a joke when 2 drivers DNF and arent classified one cant count as a win ill stick to the thread on the autosport forums where people have more sense.

danny is very biased against schumacher go read some of his older posts
 
arknor said:
danny is very biased against schumacher go read some of his older posts
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No I'm not for the first half of last year I was defending his pace. Someone else on this forum accused me of being a MS fanboy.

He's had enough time, he's old, slow and in the way of some of the decent younger drivers. Merc are too scared to sack him and they have to hope he quits with dignity.

They sure as hell won't extend his contract so either he goes this year or the end of next.

He's been cut enough slack, the simple fact is he doesn't have it anymore in the current car format. If we still had the 2005 regulations I fancy he would be in the top 8 regularly but it isn't and he should move on as well.

Just how much time do you want to give him in one of the better teams on the grid while stinking up Q1 and 2?
 
dannyjo22 said:
He's had enough time, he's old, slow and in the way of some of the decent younger drivers. Merc are too scared to sack him and they have to hope he quits with dignity.
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right rosberg needs to get out aswell

heres some facts for you ignorant people who dont pay much attention to stuff other than what you see on the cameras.

personal best sector 1 time
rosberg 26.737
schumacher 26.770

personal best sector 2 time
rosberg 30.505
schumacher 30.509

personal best sector 3 time
rosberg 43.608
schumacher 43.686

adding all 3 times together best possible laptime for each driver
rosberg 100.85
schumacher 100.965

personal best laptime they actually set
rosberg 1:41.166
schumacher 1:41.215

stint times are here http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/f1_media/Documents/chn-race-analysis.pdf
schumachers first and second stint was comprimised by all of the battles he had which is his own fault for his qualifying (his q1 qualifying time would have got him into q3 so its not like he didnt have the pace)

schumachers 3rd stint however was extremely compettive and faster than rosberg , alonso and massas last stint.

schumacher would have been right behind rosberg had he not had a bad Q2 lap.
so i dont understand how you can say stuff like
He's had enough time, he's old, slow and in the way of some of the decent younger drivers. Merc are too scared to sack him and they have to hope he quits with dignity.

They sure as hell won't extend his contract so either he goes this year or the end of next.

He's been cut enough slack, the simple fact is he doesn't have it anymore in the current car format. If we still had the 2005 regulations I fancy he would be in the top 8 regularly but it isn't and he should move on as well.

Just how much time do you want to give him in one of the better teams on the grid while stinking up Q1 and 2?
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its obviously an extremely ignorant and biased opinion that is not based on fact because schumacher more than holds his own against rosberg.

btw if you want to check out the sector times for yourself because you think im lieing they are here http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/f1_media/Documents/chn-race-sectors.pdf and the fastest laps are here http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/f1_media/Documents/chn-race-laps.pdf
 
arknor said:
right rosberg needs to get out aswell

heres some facts for you ignorant people who dont pay much attention to stuff other than what you see on the cameras.


its obviously an extremely ignorant and biased opinion that is not based on fact because schumacher more than holds his own against rosberg.
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I don't care about sector times, you can find times where Webber has been well beaten and find he has fastest lap and better sector times than Vettel.

The Fact is he isn't holding his own against Rosberg, it doesn't matter if his sector times are better for one section of the race when he is mutliple positions behind.

To say that MS is holding his own against Rosberg is the talk of a crazy fanboy that just cannot let go. His time is past, get over it. Again I'm not arguing against his past ability, just his current one which aint worth having in F1. To say Rosberg has to go as well when he's dumped on MS from day one is laughable.

What's the point of his even being there, even if the car was the best on the grid he would still not beat rosberg. In the same car he wouldn't beat Button, Vettel, Hamilton, Alonso, Kubica or likely even Webber.

For him to win races again will take a car far better than the rest of the grid and Rosberg to have reliability problems.

Personally I don't think Mercedes are gaining anything having him there and there are young drivers who could be brought on.

You keep looking at sector times though because that tells you exactly why he keeps failing in QFY and ending up down the road from his team mate.

Trulli could put together sector times.
 
LOL i stay out of here... cos some people there is no talking to enjoy your crappy biased views based on stuff your pulling out of your ass
 
ultimately what use are sector times or lap times to Alonson when he lost the championship last year. If he'd had the fastest lap in singapore, would it have helped him in any way ?? No.

What matters is results.

Last year schumacher had 72 points at the end of the season, Rosberg had 142 pointes. He dumped on him from a great height. Thats nearly double the points

And he's going to continue on doing so this year as well. Rosberg currently has 10, with MS having 6, again almost double.The numbers speak for themselves.

Times mean **** if you can't pull the points together.
 
yea i remember schumacher letting rosberg past multiple times last year but whatever keep hating if it brings some enjoyment to your life....

guess stint times dont matter either .....

schumacher scored points in 2 races this year rosberg only 1 , the numbers speak for themselfs enjoy your trolling lol
 
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