2016 : A Pivotal Year For AMD, Nvidia, PC Gaming And VR
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Yer, pretty much how I am reading/watching reviews. The other worry for me with the Vive is cables and tripping but I am sure owners/perspective owners will have accounted for that.
not really, Vive gives an additional option allowing movement, doesn't means they suck at sitting down apps, that would defeat the purpose of the headset.
one thing is sure oculus beats Vive at is comfort, oculus seem to be lighter and locks better on your head, the rest of the features will need extended testing by reviewers, once the sets are out.
The reviewers are pretty much agreeing that the Rift has better sight, whilst the controllers on the Vive give better freedom. Early doors though and I wouldn't mind seeing a few user reviews as most of what I have seen seems to be scripted reviews.
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Bought a DK2 last week and have been playing with it since yesterday evening.
It's really something else, although the resolution on the DK2 is a real issue, but once you look past that and more focus on the concept and experience, it's amazing.
It's really something that you have to experience for yourself. I was pretty blown away the first time I fired it up and tried Crytek's Dino demo. The immersion is simply amazing.
Unfortunately, I'm feeling the motion sickness - a higher refresh and resolution would perhaps aid this, but I am a sufferer in reality so this doesn't come as much of a surprise.
It's really something else, although the resolution on the DK2 is a real issue, but once you look past that and more focus on the concept and experience, it's amazing.
It's really something that you have to experience for yourself. I was pretty blown away the first time I fired it up and tried Crytek's Dino demo. The immersion is simply amazing.
Unfortunately, I'm feeling the motion sickness - a higher refresh and resolution would perhaps aid this, but I am a sufferer in reality so this doesn't come as much of a surprise.
i wanna throw a bet in there, oculus might move the shipping ahead to february instead of march, and all pre-orders will be billed around 25th feb.
who bets against me ?
I hope you are right. My money is waiting
Shame about the sickness but there is others who are the same. The whole concept for me is amazeballs and no issues to speak of. 90Hz will help I am sure and a better res must go some way.
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This is the same as when i first tried the DK2. It really is a try before you judge technology. It's the best thing i have tried gaming wise for a long time.
Just bought a very low use DK2 from a developer who used it to develop drone software. He said that the tech is a not yet mature enough for his requirements hence his reason for selling. He also said that from his limited testing at a trade show the CV1 had only a small resolution improvement over DK2. He is not a gamer but he did say that he tried DK2 with one game (Project Cars) out of curiosity and felt it was very well done.
Unfortunately I have been totally unable to get it working on my Win 10 PC but the guys showed it working fine on his 8.1 build and I tested it on the room demo. So I know it works 100% but can sense a lot of messing over the next few days to get it working on Win 10.
My plan is to use DK2 until the gen after CV1 at which point the upgrade will be far more impressive.
So I am hoping VR will become far more mainstream over the next few years.
Unfortunately I have been totally unable to get it working on my Win 10 PC but the guys showed it working fine on his 8.1 build and I tested it on the room demo. So I know it works 100% but can sense a lot of messing over the next few days to get it working on Win 10.
My plan is to use DK2 until the gen after CV1 at which point the upgrade will be far more impressive.
So I am hoping VR will become far more mainstream over the next few years.
Just bought a very low use DK2 from a developer who used it to develop drone software. He said that the tech is a not yet mature enough for his requirements hence his reason for selling. He also said that from his limited testing at a trade show the CV1 had only a small resolution improvement over DK2. He is not a gamer but he did say that he tried DK2 with one game (Project Cars) out of curiosity and felt it was very well done.
Unfortunately I have been totally unable to get it working on my Win 10 PC but the guys showed it working fine on his 8.1 build and I tested it on the room demo. So I know it works 100% but can sense a lot of messing over the next few days to get it working on Win 10.
My plan is to use DK2 until the gen after CV1 at which point the upgrade will be far more impressive.
So I am hoping VR will become far more mainstream over the next few years.
If you plan to play things like ED or PCars, install Steam VR with the 0.8 SDK and then enable the HMD via the game options. Do the room setup with SteamVR as well to get it roughly centered.
It can be a bit of a faff about but once you have had a good play, you should be good to go. There is a few decent older deom's that need the 0.5 SDK and I just used a SDK switcher (saves installing older/newer SDK's all the time.
https://www.reddit.com/r/oculus/comments/3psikl/vr_game_manager_update_runtime_switcher_edition/
I can't even get the HMD or camera to install correctly in Win 10. HMD Not detected and no blue light on the camera.
Have you installed both the runtime and SDK (0.8)?
Use the USB 2.0 slots as well (it was picky for me with 3.0). The blue lights only really came on when the OR was running, so don't worry too much.
Just to clarify, I am on windows 10 64 bit pro.
The sensors are photodiodes, very old tech, I can go on RS online now and buy them for around 29 pence each, imagine how low that would get in bulk.
Just had a quick look a small bulk order they cost about 8 pence each
(2,500+ $0.1388).
Like people are saying this is a very elegant solution, cheap parts to manufacture the lighthouses and very cheap sensors in the headset and controllers.
I just installed Win 8.1 on an old 60Gb SSD I have and the DK2 works fine with runtime 6 I think it was. So at least I am absolutely sure the DK2 works. Maybe worth just sticking with 8.1 for now, it's not like DX12 games are coming out of the woodwork is it
Thanks for the advice though, at least I know it is possible to get it working in Win 10.
I just installed Win 8.1 on an old 60Gb SSD I have and the DK2 works fine with runtime 6 I think it was. So at least I am absolutely sure the DK2 works. Maybe worth just sticking with 8.1 for now, it's not like DX12 games are coming out of the woodwork is it
Thanks for the advice though, at least I know it is possible to get it working in Win 10.
Good stuff and no worries.
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As I already pointed out, the headsets and controllers don't rely entirely on the lighthouse system for tracking, they have iirc accelerometers and gyroscopic sensors as well - going back to my original comment, someone said that oculus are using "custom" everything and HTC are using "off the shelf", so if HTC are using photodiodes, iirc Oculus are using IR emitters and a camera... are "custom IR emitters" suddenly $100 more expensive? or are they actually also pennies each for off the shelf ones?
And, well, we'll find out in a few weeks if the Vive is cheaper or not, I'm not holding out much hope it will be £400 or less like people seem to be wishing for
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I would genuinely be shocked and stunned if the Vive came in at £400 and would most certainly be ordering one but just can't see it myself.
I was directly responding to you saying the sensors must be expensive, thought you might find it interesting that they cost next to nothing, accelerometers and gyroscopes don't cost much either.
They have said that the controllers are the same tech as in the steam controller and that the vive controllers are basically a steam controller cut in half so $49 in the shop, so much less to them. Add on the photodiodes and associated circuitry an extra gyro and accelerometer and bang, you have your controllers. (Gyros and accelerometers cost next to nothing too as you
can see from the cheap smartphones and steam contoller).
I put a guess that the controllers will be:
Cost of the steam controller gubbins £25 (assuming they only make a £15 profit (they will make more than that though))
Moulding and fixings £5
Photodiodes + Transistor amplification circuits £5
Extra wireless, accelerometer and gyro for other controller £5
so guess around £40 to manufacture the pair.
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Got debunked on reddit last night, the bad translation was quoting the cost of an Rift and computer good enough to run it.
The article also said
"The Oculus Rift, which has investment from Google" Not correct, Facebook, not Google.
"The Sony PlayStation VR is expected to be priced at US$1,125." Which Sony also said was wrong already, that was amazon Canada putting up a placeholder price.
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