2022 mini-budget discussion

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Everyone is focussed on numbers, reminds me of yuppie culture (back then ”yah 30k yah?”).

Maybe we should have some form of grade, like with energy efficiency, i.e. you can be A rated based on percentages (savings, charity donation, debt) then you can can observe “fiscal skill” without chucking around the “K’s”?
 
My previous part time job before I quit work due to ill health would have taken me over 5 years to earn 100k lol. Now I'm living on my savings and it would take me about 7 years to pay myself 100k :p
Live to your means and cut your cloth accordingly...

Sorry to hear about health.
Nothing is more important than health.

Its why I despise people putting down or saying benefits for the disabled are too high.
 
Yea, no. It's not hard to 'get' because that's a silly assumption as you know nothing of my personal circumstances.

Way to help your argument though. ;)
?? Do you communicate to people like this in real life? Seems like you are perpetually offended?

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Unfortunately that is the harsh reality for many, you monster :D

I know it! Had a couple of health scares last 3 years. One I faced having my hobbies ripped away. Was kind of scary. It really killed my career ambition. Suddenly I cared about free time vs money/stress.

I now toy with idea of contracting to give more free time. But feel I might be looking at it through tinted glasses.

Emigrate is my main focus now. Not sure if it's really going to happen.

But yeah I've decided I'll the work/life balance is impossible to achieve for me just going up the ladder gradually increasing salary.

Its why I'm not jealous of rich people. Because it's a sacrifice I won't make.
 
Oh and I'm not envious of people earning 100. If I moved to London and took management I could probably be on 80k+.

Wouldnt do it though as its not life I want.

All I'm saying is 100k is not struggling like someone who has to worry if they can heat or eat.
If you relocated to London then you'd still be home in your bed every night - I live away from home six months of the year and my wife is alone with the kids to manage - that's a massive sacrifice that many can't handle, the industry is an infamous marriage wrecker - so if anyone thinks I should suck up 60% tax on my earnings for that sacrifice, then no I won't be buying into that theory.

I can't see that anyone has claimed the statement in bold.

BTW, I saw your previous reply and would like to acknowledge that I get what you mean and did misunderstand when I read it yesterday.
 
Sorry to hear about health.
Nothing is more important than health.

Its why I despise people putting down or saying benefits for the disabled are too high.
I don't get benefts because I have saved most of my life (and not over extended on anything ;) ), not that I would want to anyway because I would hate them to have that hold over me. Some people like the disabled don't have that choice though, which is why it disgusts me so much when the government go after them and stigmatise people on benefits as scroungers.
 
I know it! Had a couple of health scares last 3 years. One I faced having my hobbies ripped away. Was kind of scary. It really killed my career ambition. Suddenly I cared about free time vs money/stress.

I now toy with idea of contracting to give more free time. But feel I might be looking at it through tinted glasses.

Emigrate is my main focus now. Not sure if it's really going to happen.

But yeah I've decided I'll the work/life balance is impossible to achieve for me just going up the ladder gradually increasing salary.

Its why I'm not jealous of rich people. Because it's a sacrifice I won't make.

Good luck to you.

Focus on what makes you happy.
 
If you relocated to London then you'd still be home in your bed every night - I live away from home six months of the year and my wife is alone with the kids to manage - that's a massive sacrifice that many can't handle, the industry is an infamous marriage wrecker - so if anyone thinks I should suck up 60% tax on my earnings for that sacrifice, then no I won't be buying into that theory.

I can't see that anyone has claimed the statement in bold.

BTW, I saw your previous reply and would like to acknowledge that I get what you mean and did misunderstand when I read it yesterday.

I do sometimes write my forum posts in ways that come across confusing!

Yeah living away while Partners are at home especially with kids is hard. I don't think I could do it. Well. I probably could if it was somewhere exciting. But I think I wouldn't have a relationship! Life commitment like that requires serious renumeration
 
If you relocated to London then you'd still be home in your bed every night - I live away from home six months of the year and my wife is alone with the kids to manage - that's a massive sacrifice that many can't handle, the industry is an infamous marriage wrecker - so if anyone thinks I should suck up 60% tax on my earnings for that sacrifice, then no I won't be buying into that theory.

I can't see that anyone has claimed the statement in bold.

BTW, I saw your previous reply and would like to acknowledge that I get what you mean and did misunderstand when I read it yesterday.
Pre-Covid both me and my wife were away 4 days a week. The incentive to work any harder simply isn't there.
 
I don't get benefts because I have saved most of my life (and not over extended on anything ;) ), not that I would want to anyway because I would hate them to have that hold over me. Some people like the disabled don't have that choice though, which is why it disgusts me so much when the government go after them and stigmatise people on benefits as scroungers.

Its horrible. I had a very brief time trying to claim job seekers. Didn't bother as it was so patronising and it was short time.

No one chooses to be disabled. Not true disabled. And you should be able to have a life in it.

I'd rather be poor and able than well off and seriously disabled any day.
 
You're right, and please don't think I am asking you to cry a river -- but one final attempt at explaining the 100k issue -
* Bills go up by an unpredictable amount
* Mortgage rates go up at an unpredictable pace

Person below £100k has "options" that person on 100k doesn't e.g. overtime. Person on £100k gets taxed approx. 60% on every £1 over £100k, AND if they have kids, immediately lose/need to pay back the £2k childcare allowance.

I did the maths - £100k -> £106k is a net "£200" in your pocket after tax and paying 'benefits' back. That means it costs £5,800 to unlock an extra £200 (FOR THE YEAR).

So say you earn £5,200 a month and you are slammed on mortgage because you've cut your cloth according to your salary (go look up a post @Scam made to hypothetical breakdown a £100k earners salary, post a big mortgage), and then you get a "one two" punch with mortgage and utilities -> you would need to earn SUBSTANTIALLY more to cover your outgoings, or simply go broke. Folk on £100k are in a rock and a hard place because "in theory" they are loaded, but in reality, the struggle is just different. Yes, they could live in a low cost of living location, and most do - to offset the cost of childcare - but it soons comes back as most £100k roles will expect some level of mobility at the employees expense.

It isn't easy to be on £100k and the "top yourself up" by enough to make a meaningful difference each month. People in that bracket are helpless to substantial price rises, unless they do what nobody on any tax brackets wants to do - up sticks, move, gentrify a dump and then price out the locals. All because the taxation at £100k is unfair and disproportionate.

As I said before, the tapering allowance changes behaviours and doesn't help taxation at all - because people simply top up their pensions and/or get an electric car. Net receipts for the government down, net receipts for the person down --- the only beneficiary is the pension providers.
I’ve heard it all now. People on £100k don’t have options. They are unable to tighten their belts. They are unable to change their BMW to a Skoda. They are unable to go on cheaper holidays. They are unable to lower their energy usage. They are unable to shop at Lidl rather than Sainsburys.
But those under £100k? Ah they’ll be fine. I mean, many of them have already skimped and cut back as much as possible. Many will be wondering if their heating will go on or if they’ll buy dinner this winter. They could do more hours in their zero hour contracts, if only their employer offered them. They could work harder in the pub they work in, if only it didn’t shut because of the energy costs.

Also, I’m paid substantially less than 100k and I have no option for overtime. When my mortgage goes up 50% next year, I’ll have to find other cuts. Thankfully I’m in an ok position so can maybe find this but it’ll be at the expense of a holiday. I can’t work more hours.

You’re very out of touch.

I can’t believe there are still attempts to justify people on £100k being poor/struggling and hugely affected by what’s going on. Sure, they may have to buy Lidl instead of Waitrose bread. But In comparison, those on salaries over 100k will be fine for the most part.
 
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?? Do you communicate to people like this in real life? Seems like you are perpetually offended?

Brb going to get avocado toast
What on earth, i try politely explaining to you why your struggling to explain the so called £100k issue and you come out with a snide comment about it being hard to get and hopefully one day I'll have this 'problem' like I've not experienced anything similar. So i point out to you that making such assumptions are silly because you don't know who you're talking to and you basically resort to accusations about poor communications and make yet another silly assumption about me being offended, and then you walk off in a huff.

Like i said you're really not helping your argument.
 
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What on earth, i try politely explain to you why your struggling to explain the so called £100k issue and you come out with a snide comment about it being hard to get and hopefully one day I'll have this 'problem' like I've not experienced anything similar. So i point out to you that making such assumptions are silly because you don't know who you're talking to and you basically resort to accusations about poor communications and make yet another silly assumption about me being offended, and then you walk off in a huff.

Like i said you're really not helping your argument.
I'm not sure what you think I am arguing lol.
 
I’ve heard it all now. People on £100k don’t have options. They are unable to tighten their belts. They are unable to change their BMW to a Skoda. They are unable to go on cheaper holidays. They are unable to lower their energy usage. They are unable to shop at Lidl rather than Sainsburys.
But those under £100k? Ah they’ll be fine. I mean, many of them have already skimped and cut back as much as possible. Many will be wondering if their heating will go on or if they’ll buy dinner this winter. They could do more hours in their zero hour contracts, if only their employer offered them. They could work harder in the pub they work in, if only it didn’t shut because of the energy costs.

Also, I’m paid substantially less than 100k and I have no option for overtime. When my mortgage goes up 50% next year, I’ll have to find other cuts. Thankfully I’m in an ok position so can maybe find this but it’ll be at the expense of a holiday. I can’t work more hours.

You’re very out of touch.

I can’t believe there are still attempts to justify people on £100k being poor/struggling and hugely affected by what’s going on. Sure, they may have to buy Lidl instead of Waitrose bread. But In comparison, those on salaries over 100k will be fine for the most part.
I guarantee most the folks driving leased BMWs on here are not earning 100k lol.


Edit: 3% increase on your mortgage is probably what I said aside for cigars and caviar. 3% increase on my mortgage means I will have to sell my arse.

Edit2: bring on 3% :o:o:o:o
 
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I'm not sure what you think I am arguing lol.
This...
Folk on £100k are in a rock and a hard place because "in theory" they are loaded, but in reality, the struggle is just different. Yes, they could live in a low cost of living location, and most do - to offset the cost of childcare - but it soons comes back as most £100k roles will expect some level of mobility at the employees expense.

It isn't easy to be on £100k and the "top yourself up" by enough to make a meaningful difference each month. People in that bracket are helpless to substantial price rises, unless they do what nobody on any tax brackets wants to do - up sticks, move, gentrify a dump and then price out the locals. All because the taxation at £100k is unfair and disproportionate.
I think you maybe struggling to explain the 100k issue because like others have said it's not an issue, it's choices. Choices not avilible to those lower down the pay scale, someone on £100k can cut their cloth accordingly if they so choose, someone on NMW has very little cloth to cut to begin with, someone even lower down the income bracket like pensioners or the disabled often have even less cloth to cut. < That's struggle.
It is hard to get it, I know. Hopefully one day you have this problem.
Yea, no. It's not hard to 'get' because that's a silly assumption as you know nothing of my personal circumstances.

Way to help your argument though.
?? Do you communicate to people like this in real life? Seems like you are perpetually offended?

Brb going to get avocado toast
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So which bit do you disagree with or are you just wanting to foam at the mouth a bit? All I said in summary was that the "struggle" at £100k is similar. Everyone needs to tighten their belts. The key difference was the earning potential for £100k earners is significantly reduced due to the stealth 60% tax. The other key difference is the perceived options a £100k earner has (if we ignore the cost to change/sunken cost for a moment).
 
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