Wow, seriously do some skim reading and you can find out.
You seem to be happy with your head in the sand look everywhere else attitude. Good luck with that.
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You seem to be happy with your head in the sand look everywhere else attitude. Good luck with that.
I'll tackle these 2 in reverse order since it seems more appropriate...
You're incorrect.. I dislike what the current and preceeding Tory governments have done and the "matter of fact" is that it is not because "they're Tory, hurrdurr", but because objectively they have done a terrible job, trashed the country and it's reputation, ruined public services, treated those on benefits like common thieves while cutting tax breaks to the rich, paid for by the poor (borrowing). They could be called "The Pink White Green Blue Party" and I would still call them abject failures and a detriment to the average member of the UK population. Their party name, their banner colour... None of that matters in the slightest to me. The fact they are utterly terrible does.
In fact if you go back a few pages you'll clearly see me holding Labour equally to blame for not creating, or maintaining any kind of long-term energy policy, along with preceeding and successive Tory governments on either side of it.
However, You also have not actually expanded on *which* Labour policies you believe were / are in error that they should have been overturned by (or would never have been implemented by) The Tories. - Which of course begs that old elephant question again, why did they not address it in the last 12 years they have had the opportunity to?
Please, give us specific examples of Labour policies or things they did (besides Iraq War) that you have issue with? At least then we can have a a genuine discussion on the potential contribution they may have had on what we see now - Which seems to be what you're suggesting by mentioning how policies take time for their effects to be felt and we're just experiencing the fallout of "What Labour Did"
*tagent thought*
Sounds like a bad movie... "From the Makers of Scream...... I know what Labour did last summer"
Are you sure you really want to make that claim?
Really sure?
Phone a friend?
The dataHistory would disagree with you, while there was a "dip" around 2000-2002 and the obvious "global financial crash" in 2008 we can clearly see the trends here...
Clearly rtb can be held accountable, but Gordon Brown can't for pensions, that is what you are suggesting?
I have listed a few labour policies a few times, and listed one above.
And for your information I disliked David and T May.
Councils only get to keep a small part of the receipts from the heavily discounted RTB sales. Following the Housing Act 1980 from 1981/82 to 1989/90 nearly a million properties were sold with councils receiving a relative pittance for each. How were they supposed to fund the building of nearly a million properties?
You don't understand how polices work. This is why we have a big problem in this country, people do not understand the long term implications of policy's.
People think governments are in control, when civil service is really in control. Great example was under Boris and the problems that he encountered with them.
No... RtB can at best be said to have contributed and I acknowledge that, however the massive increase in prosperity across most of the western world during the 80's and 90's is not "accountable" to RtB, it was predominantly due to the digital revolution.
Well... You said "Blame the voters, blame this culture, blame immigration" - Clearly the voters do not make policy, so it can't be that one. Culture? I can't see how that has an effect on policy making either, so I can only assume from that you're talking about immigration as the policy you listed above. - If that is indeed the case...you are aware that Labour last had the opportunity to set immigration policy almost 13 years ago and the Tories have been in control ever since then and were able to adjust pretty much anything related to our immigration policy that Labour were able to during their tenure?
Which begs the elephant question again... Why did they not do anything to address this in the last (almost) 13 years? Surely it cannot take that long to reverse policies set in place by Labour?
How do you feel about Boris and Lizz for comparison?
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The cash was reduced and redirect over the last 30 years.
i was going to guess that he was Rees Moggs OCUK forum account, but your version makes just as much sense.
also need to point out that he is missing an "R" from his name.................................
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Explain please.
Local economic expansion differs from global economic expansion.
I never said that it was limited just to RTB.
Voters influence policy, groups influence policy, that how it works.
I never disagreed about what technical revolution took place but if you want a starting point it would be 1970. The information revolution started in the 1970 which was the starting point of our digital revolution and it was not 1980s.
We are now in the 4th revolution, just to be accurate.
Diverted from building to none building.
The councils received relatively little money from Right to Buy sales to do anything with and it's only fairly recently that central government have relaxed the restrictions on what they could do with it.
And yet other countries like France and Germany manage it fine. They have better health services, better pension and better welfare by a huge margin and a smaller difference between the wealth of the top 10% and the bottom 50% by a quarter whereas in this coI try it’s getting larger.
Really? Not me despite owning several houses over the last 30 years. Would have been much happier if the value of my house had never risen Or just by inflation each year. To move to a better house now I would be looking at spending at least 800k and taking on a £200k mortgage again. So having bought it for £95k and it being worth £600k now has given me nothing. If houses hadn’t gone up, the 800k house would be only £140k now and it would cost me only £40k to swap
IDK Devilman was suggesting but i assume the reason right-to-buy can be "held accountable" is because, with the advantage of hind site, the effects and consequence are well enough understood and are common knowledge, that despite your claims of right-to-buy being a good policy it's turned out to be highly detrimental to society.
I also assume people aren't holding Gordon Brown accountable for pensions because few, if any, people know what you're referring to because you've not actually told people what the issue you have with it is (Plus he wouldn't exactly be the first).
Rtb The policy was sound, unfortunately councils used it as a cash cows, then later Labour made it worse.
Funny thing was Boris wanted to get rid of HA, give them RTB and use the money to fund new property. HA didn't want that, it would have released them from fixing the poor state of their properties.
HA are the scum, private landlords and social Landlords have more regulation that HA, however this is another story .
HA shared ownership has been around for a long time, but it is a scam. Lots of loopholes to protect the HA and not the leaseholder.
Regarding pensions, Gordon brown with his pension raid and how the industry had to develop to accommodate this. I highlighted both and they can go researcher, it is not that hard.
So, back to my original posting previous governments policies have lead us here.
When they say oh tories were in power they could have fixed RTB, just as labour could have fixed it, yes it was achievable.
When we come to pensions it becomes very complicated because of how the industry had to change their own method to compensate against labour raids.
I don't expert the majority here to understand, for lots of reasons. But when they blame the current party they fail to understand the lag effect of polices.
The people that destroyed this country are Blair, David and May with their number 11 counter parts.
Remember Blair gave away our advantage with CAP, most here again will not know. The Google labour EU enlargement and immigration, asylum seekers.Labour can be blamed for our massive change in external polices which later on impacted our internal policies.
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Well i guess we've got our answer, it's unintentional ignorance. Although in this day and age I'm left wondering why you're not making use of the all the wonderful information that's available to you on the internet.
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They are no trying to keep anyone happy, you are trolling at this point.
How on earth did they try to kept everyone happy with this dire usage of public funds, messes during covid, money and fraud at all time high etc.
Still going on about covid, other countries had more lockdowns. We had it better than most.
Not keeping voters happy well what do you think the £400 payment towards people's energy bill is?
You, can't see that the foundation of this mess came from previous governments. Because it has come to mainstream now does not mean it is directly related to the current government.
what is your take on PPP?
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that w is upside down
What do lockdowns have to do with the dire usage of public funds, messes during COVID, money and fraud being at an all time high? For that matter...Other countries had fewer lockdowns. We had it worse than most....You see we can both make unfounded claims that have little to no relation to anything.
Also as you've been repeatedly asked even if it was accepted that the foundation for 'this' mess (not sure what specific mess you're referring to but whatever) came from the previous government why hasn't this government done anything to sort that out, they've had 12 years to fix things.
Also last time i checked not everyone can read minds so if your going to use a three letter acronym it would be handy if you actually said what you're referring too because a google search for PPP returns purchasing power parities. If on the other hand you're referring to public-private-partnership and specifically using that to bolster your case that it was the previous government who caused this mess then you're going to need to explain what you think that government did so differently than the one before them who actually introduced the private finance initiative.
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