2022 mini-budget discussion

adidan · 23 Sep 2022 at 12:36

So this is what all those Kremlin linked Tory party donations get you, including from Lubov Chernukhin, the wife of Putin’s former deputy finance minister, who himself has dealings with sanctioned Oligarchs.

Sabotage from the inside. Clever tactic

n111ck · 23 Sep 2022 at 12:38

adidan said:
So this is what all those Kremlin linked Tory party donations get you, including from Lubov Chernukhin, the wife of Putin’s former deputy finance minister, who himself has dealings with sanctioned Oligarchs.

Sabotage from the inside. Clever tactic

Yes and Russia’s threats to nuke the UK are all part of the smoke screen lol

dowie · 23 Sep 2022 at 12:40

CapitalOne said:
I think Putin got what he wanted in this country through bluer means

Sure, no solidarity in the West over Ukraine, no arms sent there like NLAWs by the UK at the last minute... totally what he wanted, the West is now more divided than ever over the issue and Sweden and Finland will know not to even think about joining NATO. It's all working out really nicely for Putin.

Rroff · 23 Sep 2022 at 12:40

200sols said:
Is it conservative? Strong and stable or weak and feeble? Every time they speak UK assets plunge.... but Corbyn!

I thought Corbyn hadn't been relevant for years and we shouldn't mention him any more?!?

CapitalOne · 23 Sep 2022 at 12:41

dowie said:
Sure, no solidarity in the West over Ukraine, no arms sent there like NLAWs by the UK at the last minute...

You know what I meant, come on.

dowie · 23 Sep 2022 at 12:42

CapitalOne said:
You know what I meant, come on.

Not really, what benefit has Putin derived from anything?

GreatAuk · 23 Sep 2022 at 12:43

n111ck said:
Only because the left had no power to do so… if it wasn’t for party gate Boris would still be in no 10 and you know it.

All those weeks when Starmer begged him to quit lol… be careful what you wish for..

You just have such a bizarre view of government... Like everyone else is supposed to play along with all of Boris's MULTIPLE scandals and not say anything out of fear at what kind of horror the Tory party might decide to vote in instead?

And the fact that the Tory party is so completely corrupt and compromised is now somehow the opposition's fault.

And you're just ignoring that what actually precipitated his resignation was not the opposition criticising him, but his own government collapsing around his head.

The state of this new government reflects only the nature of the modern 'Conservative' party.

Roar87 · 23 Sep 2022 at 12:45

CapitalOne said:
You know what I meant, come on.

Biden: Come on, man!

adidan · 23 Sep 2022 at 12:45

n111ck said:
Yes and Russia’s threats to nuke the UK are all part of the smoke screen lol

Internal sabotage and external attacks are not mutually exclusive.

Roar87 · 23 Sep 2022 at 12:47

adidan said:
Internal sabotage and external attacks are not mutually exclusive.

This is really Alex Jones level stuff, I absolute love that you believe it deep down as well lmao

rhobbyh · 23 Sep 2022 at 12:47

GreatAuk said:
You just have such a bizarre view of government... Like everyone else is supposed to play along with all of Boris's MULTIPLE scandals and not say anything out of fear at what kind of horror the Tory party might decide to vote in instead?

And the fact that the Tory party is so completely corrupt and compromised is now somehow the opposition's fault.

And you're just ignoring that what actually precipitated his resignation was not the opposition criticising him, but his own government collapsing around his head.

The state of this new government reflects only the nature of the modern 'Conservative' party.

you should hear his viewpoint on the metric system

Freakbro · 23 Sep 2022 at 12:47

dowie said:
I'm referring to the Bank bonus cap removal and the income tax changes that are being commented on in this thread, I doubt very much Corbyn would do either.

But what about the massively increased borrowing to pay for it, you haven't explained how that is Conservative?

dowie · 23 Sep 2022 at 12:49

adidan said:
So this is what all those Kremlin linked Tory party donations get you, including from Lubov Chernukhin, the wife of Putin’s former deputy finance minister, who himself has dealings with sanctioned Oligarchs.

Sabotage from the inside. Clever tactic

Yeah the Russians really *love* Liz, they were so happy to see her get the top job:

Kremlin scathing over Truss but Kyiv praises Britain’s new PM

Putin aide says relations with Britain could go ‘from bad to worse’ as Ukrainian pundits welcome new ‘iron lady’

www.theguardian.com

Freakbro said:
But what about the massively increased borrowing to pay for it, you haven't explained how that is Conservative?

Bonuses are paid for by banks from their profits, not government borrowing.

n111ck · 23 Sep 2022 at 12:49

GreatAuk said:
You just have such a bizarre view of government... Like everyone else is supposed to play along with all of Boris's MULTIPLE scandals and not say anything out of fear at what kind of horror the Tory party might decide to vote in instead?

And the fact that the Tory party is so completely corrupt and compromised is now somehow the opposition's fault.

And you're just ignoring that what actually precipitated his resignation was not the opposition criticising him, but his own government collapsing around his head.

The state of this new government reflects only the nature of the modern 'Conservative' party.

would you prefer that Boris was still PM compared to Truss?

Rroff · 23 Sep 2022 at 12:50

GreatAuk said:
You just have such a bizarre view of government... Like everyone else is supposed to play along with all of Boris's MULTIPLE scandals and not say anything out of fear at what kind of horror the Tory party might decide to vote in instead?

And the fact that the Tory party is so completely corrupt and compromised is now somehow the opposition's fault.

And you're just ignoring that what actually precipitated his resignation was not the opposition criticising him, but his own government collapsing around his head.

The state of this new government reflects only the nature of the modern 'Conservative' party.

I often think of this grilling and the comments by some of the top Tories https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMW14eT1u8I and wonder where their convictions are now...

Rroff · 23 Sep 2022 at 12:51

n111ck said:
would you prefer that Boris was still PM compared to Truss?

Maybe people prefer a PM that had some shred of honesty, integrity and was actually working to make the country a better place for everyone.

adidan · 23 Sep 2022 at 12:51

Roar87 said:
This is really Alex Jones level stuff, I absolute love that you believe it deep down as well lmao

Hardly, it's pretty basic strategy.

Thanks though, that hilarious comparison has given me a chuckle at its absurdity.

Freakbro · 23 Sep 2022 at 12:53

dowie said:
Bonuses are paid for by banks from their profits, not government borrowing.

The tax cuts are being funded by borrowing, so for the third time of asking, can you explain how that is Conservative?

dowie · 23 Sep 2022 at 12:55

Freakbro said:
The tax cuts are being funded by borrowing, so for the third time of asking, can you explain how that is Conservative?

No, government spending is being funded by borrowing. I don't think the energy price cap, for example, is conservative but I wasn't commenting on that, I was commenting on the things being discussed in this thread as I already said:

dowie said:
I'm referring to the Bank bonus cap removal and the income tax changes that are being commented on in this thread, I doubt very much Corbyn would do either.

Pudney · 23 Sep 2022 at 12:56

Freakbro said:
The tax cuts are being funded by borrowing, so for the third time of asking, can you explain how that is Conservative?

The answer is fairly simple, the only way this fits Conservative ideology is that they're pinning all of their hopes on accelerated growth to compensate to enable committed spending. Should be some interesting times ahead.

Also, the level of tax cuts on high earners is ridiculously funny!