***21.9 Ultrawide Thread***

That's valid, but as mentioned, I don't have much confidence this is 'TRUE' HDR, and I doubt we'd see that at a lower resolution anyway... if any true HDR monitor panels are developed (i.e 10-bit, 1000nits etc), it would make logical sense for them to be 1440p/4K. I think manufacturers know that people gaming at that res are more likely to cough up for the insane price tag.

Yeah true that on both accounts :(

I forgot that in order for them to meet the ultra HD premium cert., they would also need to have a 4k res. for that:

Resolution - Given the name is "Ultra HD Premium" the display must be able to support a resolution of at least 3840 x 2160. This is often referred to as "4K", although officially this resolution is "Ultra HD", and "4k" is 4096 x 2160.
 
Not sure how true this is as I can't find any source for it:

"Its LED backlight is dynamically controlled across 512 zones, providing very high contrast for richer, more natural-looking dark scenes. "

Well, Asus have just ****ed on Acer's chip with that 120Hz screen :D

For now, but if it has similar problems as the dell then it will be a worse product imo.

Not to mention, this will be priced in a whole different league to any current monitor, could very possibly be priced even higher than the $2000 tag of the 27" 4k HDR FALD monitors :o

Thing is though, 200Hz at this res?? Come on... even SLI isn't going to get anywhere near pushing those kind of frame rates in AAA titles. Even next gen Volta may struggle.

Yeah I don't care for the 200HZ part at all really tbh, especially if it is an overclocked mode.
 
That's what concerns me... this isn't 4K of course, but that's actually a plus for me. I have no interest in 4K @ 27", and I know I'm not alone in that. I think this is going to be a FAR more desirable monitor (if it's actually any good lol), but I fear it's going to have a price tag that is just out of reach for many.

I will laugh if it close to or over $3000 :o
 
Also, including all the first to the market price tags, don't forget that retailer prices here will be even higher due to all the returns/losses that the retailers make on returned monitors, as gibbo has said himself, they put the monitor prices up all round in order to avoid charging/deducting money from returns to cover the CCR restocking fees:

Backlight bleed within reason like dead pixels is not a fault, so I guess it depends how they are feeling, LOL. Of course CCR can be used but legally if they believe it is used and cannot be resold they can essentially charge you a restocking fee (upto 25%).

I suspect the monitor price increases at etailers across the board is coming from increased returns on CCR due to backlight bleed, some people have good reason, the bleed is beyond acceptable, others returning for IPS glow and doing it several times over.

We keep CCR restocking charges to an absolute minimum, but it means we end up with a huge amount of B-grade monitors sold a big losses to the company, so we either increase upfront margin to cover it or we start implementing more CCR restocking fees.


On another note we have also applied huge pressure on certain manufacturers to start taking returns on monitors for excessive bleed so the retailer is not the ones getting stung.

Q4 2017 release according to that... price is going to be the interesting one on these, but £1500-2000 sounds right. I don't think they'll cost MORE than the 4K 27", as the market for a £2K+ monitor is VERY small I would say.

I hope you are right but given how much extra 21.9 monitors already cost compared to somewhat 16.9 equivalents, it will very likely be a good chunk dearer than the 27" 4k HDR 144HZ 16.9 equivalent.
 
Perhaps, but there comes a point when it does become ridiculous. There's always going to be a premium to be paid for new tech, and HDR is certainly going to come with a premium, but the number of people willing to shell out £2K+ for a monitor is a small number indeed. Acer/Asus must know this, so I want to believe it will need to be priced somewhat affordably.

We have been at that point for a long time now :p

The only way these new HDR FALD monitors will come in for <£1500 is if all the current monitor prices drop big time but with Brexit etc. etc. I can't see it happening, monitors price have either stayed the same as they were 4+ years ago or in most cases gone up drastically :(

i.e. just look at this LG monitor:

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/lg-3...-super-wide-curved-led-monitor-mo-149-lg.html

Crazy increase in price just for an extra 4" and slightly higher res. and this is with freesync (of which has a terrible range)

I feel that this is just the way of the monitor/PC industry now, in comparison to TVs and consoles, there just isn't enough of a market for them to be able to charge sensible prices for such tech.
 
I got my LG 29-UM65 for £249.99 in October 2014. Other than the addition of Freesync I don't believe much has changed and the same monitor, with freesync, is now £269.99 at the standard price. It's got £10 off this week. That is pretty poor when you think about it. No doubt the whole Brexit pound plunge might have something to do with it as we're still not back to anywhere close to the best pre-brexit rate.

Same, got mine back in June 2014 and paid £270/280.

I imagine it is down to Brexit and gibbo just upping the prices of monitors all round to cover all the CCR restocking fees. The acer x34 freesync was £600 before Brexit but is now £900 (a slightly newer model only difference being a worse freesync range and more curve) :o
 
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Supposedly it is 200HZ native..... Although I'm still skeptical about that.....

Either way, hopefully with it being VA, the halo'ing will not be anywhere as bad the 384 FALD zones IPS 27" display.... That plus even superior black depth and hopefully there won't be the same lag/trail for the zones to match what is on the screen i.e.

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Given the 27" 4K PG27UQ is IPS, I wonder if those halo'ing issues will affect it the same way? If even half that bad it's going to put a SERIOUS damper on its release! Anyone who accepts that on a £2K monitor needs their head examined.

From what I've read, it is possible as supposedly the halo'ing is made worse because of it being IPS, being IPS allows the light to "leak" through more. I imagine like IPS, it will require a lot of QC/precise measurements in order to avoid severe halo'ing like the above i.e. a bit like current IPS monitors where generally the cause of bleed is down to the plastic assembly of the monitor being too tightly assembled around the panel etc.

Given how pretty much every recent 21.9 display has been VA, I think it is safe to say that monitor manufacturers are tired of IPS defects i.e. all the returns and is why they are now moving to VA, that and if what gibbo said about putting pressure on them to help with all the returns due to back light bleed means that IPS is no longer a profitable enough investment for them.

Good news with VA being the new go to panel type is that there should be less returns due to little to no backlight bleed (think it is safe to say this was by far the main reason people have returned the last few years of IPS monitors) and therefore gibbo/ocuk won't need to be adding even more gouging on top to cover the CCR restocking fees.

I knew that there would be some halo'ing but I wasn't expecting it to be that bad but for myself, the even worse part was the trail/lag, just looked awful, give me VA's poor transitions with dark objects on bright backgrounds over that any day of the week!
 
Any news on 29" G-Sync screens? There don't seem to be any as far as I can find.

Nope :(

I think 29" 2560x1080 are a thing of the past now, I put the blame on monitor manufacturers for this as they only push the 34" 1440+ models and they don't even bother sending out review samples of the 29" models to sites/youtubers so even less publicity and unfortunately this will also hinder the up take of 21.9 "overall" as not everyone can/wants to spend big money on the 34" 1440 monitors.

There is a 200HZ 2560x1080 30" acer VA gsync screen but it is like £800 iirc.
 
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/acer...ng-widescreen-led-monitor-blac-mo-118-ac.html

That one? From the pictures I'd never guess that was a 21:9 ratio. That's probably why I missed it. I'll have a look at reviews tonight. Though I was hoping for a higher res. I currently have https://www.overclockers.co.uk/lg-2...e-widescreen-led-monitor-black-mo-142-lg.html so not sure this will be worthwhile.

Main reason I don't fancy 34" is that I'd loose screen space for my projector. See spoiler for my set up

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Yup that's the one, think ocuk are just using the wrong image.

Unfortunately there are little to no reviews and certainly not any "good" reviews from the likes of pcmonitors or tftcentral, I don't think the panel is particularly good either from any of the user comments I've seen on other forums/reddit, supposedly bad smearing/trailing.

Either way, personally I definitely wouldn't move from that LG 29" monitor you got, just not worthwhile especially considering the price.

I wish Dell would release an updated UW gaming monitor. I'd be all over that in a heartbeat.

If ASUS can't sort out their **** poor CS, the PG35VQ could retail for £800 and IMO it still wouldn't be worth it.

Yeah it would be nice if dell released gaming monitors more often, when they do, they generally knock it out of the park, at least where QC and CS is concerned.
 
Do asus still replace your monitor with refurbished ones though? To me that is a complete joke especially if the monitor is <1 year old and costs £800+
 
No thanks!

Ridiculous size that, no idea how people can use anything bigger than 32" 16.9/34" 21.9 screens for "monitors".

I am however very happy to see that Samsung are trying to push the monitor industry forward with improvements to IQ though! And "somewhat" sensible pricing too unlike most monitor manufacturers....

Still not OLED good but hopefully it should be a decent improvement over current LCD screens.
 
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Very nice although the price tag is the opposite.. :p

For a monitor, it isn't actually that bad of a price all things considered, I imagine the resolution is the main thing that is stopping the huge price bump....

But yeah still silly money considering the price of 55" 4K OLED HDR TVs.
 
50" 21.9 for a monitor, what....... Still no idea how anyone can have a "monitor" of 40"+ on their desk.... :p


As for 4k movies, watched 4k HDR films of arrival and hacksaw ridge the other week and for those who find 1080P or less films to look blurry/soft on 21.9 screens (although I still don't find this with MPC-HC and madvr setup correctly), you shouldn't have any complaints with 4k films, noticeably sharper/more detailed even on a 2560x1080 screen :cool:



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And yeah I would rather have the companies just concentrate on 21.9 first, support is still not 100% so it is stupid to be introducing an even more niche aspect ratio that will never take of.
 
As someone with a 1070 looking to upgrade from two 23" monitors, do you guys think the LG 29uc88 is worth the 365£.. I know it's freesync but I've never been bothered by free/gsync before I just love the look of widescreen over smaller 144hz type monitors. I've also seen a 28" 4k resolution Acer Predator for £400 which seems nice but I don't think is widescreen.

If you don't mind not being able to use freesync then yeah it is a nice monitor, you will need to google around and make sure that nvidia cards work with the screens ok though as iirc, 75HZ is only achievable with AMD cards through freesync.

Also, why don't you get the cheaper 29" versions?

This is LG's newest 29" model:

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/lg-2...-widescreen-led-gaming-monitor-mo-14f-lg.html

Their older one:

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/lg-2...e-widescreen-led-monitor-black-mo-143-lg.html
 
I like the curved aspect (I've not used a curved screen yet) of the https://www.overclockers.co.uk/lg-2...e-widescreen-led-monitor-black-mo-142-lg.html

As far as I know the monitor should work as normal on a nvidia card it just won't be able to use the freesync 75hz altho I also read that it's possible to force adaptive sync on through the nvidia settings, it's all confusing to me in all honesty! Thanks for the help btw

Personally I don't think a curve is needed for 21.9 29", imo, 29" 21.9 is the perfect size for wideness and flat monitors.

Just have a look here and search for those models anyway as iirc, that one you linked might have quite high input lag compared to other 29" models:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ultrawidemasterrace/

Also, yes you can use nvidia's adaptive sync or fast sync, this isn't dependent on the monitor.
 
PPI will be more than fine for gaming, especially if you can super sample the game, be that in game or hopefully soon with amd crimson....

PPI is mainly an issue with text stuff though.
 
Just got out my measuring tape and it looks like the 34 inch may be too big. The 29 inch screen seems to be a perfect fit for my desk and viewing distance so I will try it first. Anyone think that 29 inch is too small for ultrawide though?

I was just gaming at 75hz and found it to be acceptable so as long as it isn't small in the flesh I should be okay with it.

Check out the OP, I have linked display size comparisons.

IMO 29" 21.9 is a nice size, the wideness is perfect for me and whilst I would like another 1-2" for vertical height, it doesn't bother me that much.

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Also, might be handy, 34" 3440x1440 VS 2560x1080 for gaming:

https://hardforum.com/threads/34-21...0-aoc-u3477pqu.1827296/page-2#post-1041126330
 
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