***21.9 Ultrawide Thread***

[Nexus18]

Yup that is the freesync model.

This is the gsync model:

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/acer...e-zeroframe-curved-led-monitor-mo-089-ac.html

 

[Nexus18]

Only way to have a desktop

BTW, check the OP, there are 4k VS 3440x1440 performance figures there.

The OP contains EVERYTHING you need to know about 21.9

 

[Nexus18]

Just catching up on 21.9 news, some exciting new monitors coming:

Acer XR382CQK 37.5" 3840x1600 2300R curved IPS adaptive sync, possibly 60-75HZ
Acer Predator X34P 3440x1440 100HZ gsync curved IPS
ASUS Designo Curve MX34VQ 3440x1440 curved IPS
Dell Ultrawide U3417W

LG Display to Produce 144Hz IPS Panels Including 34" 1440p

Perhaps the most interesting panel is planned for Q1 production 2017 at the moment. This is a new version of the LM340UW3 panel (revision tbc). This is a 34" curved ultra-wide IPS panel (1900R curvature) with a 3440 x 1440 resolution. It will offer a 144Hz refresh rate as well! Current 34" widescreen displays are making use of a native 60Hz IPS panel from LG.Display, overclocked in some cases to 100Hz maximum where a G-sync module is added to the screen. With the arrival of this 144Hz native panel we assume it will also need to use DisplayPort v1.3 connectivity but this will allow refresh rates to be significantly improved in this sector. With a native support of 144Hz we may also see some screens paired with blur reduction backlights which would be welcome in the 34" space as well. Nothing else staggering from the current listed spec which is updated in our panel parts database.

Additionally there is a 2560 x 1080 resolution IPS panel of this same size (34" ultra-wide, curved, 3800R curvature) planned for production a little sooner, in August 2016. The LM340UW1 (revision tbc).

Just to make the distinction as well, we are talking about LG.Display as a panel manufacturer here, not LG as a monitor manufacturer. Once panels go in to mass production it's usually 2 - 3 months before we see them picked up by a monitor manufacturer, and then another couple of months usually before those monitors are widely available to buy. So although it's exciting news that we will see some 34" 3440 x 1440 IPS panels at 144Hz eventually, it won't be until mid 2017 by the look of it - at least based on these LG.Display panels.

New Panels Planned from LG.Display and Samsung

The LSM290DP01 panel comes in two versions, one 60Hz and the other 144Hz. This is a rather unusual 29" mega wide panel with VA technology. The resolution is listed as "FHD+" which we believe to be 3840 x 1080, with a 32:9 aspect ratio. The 60Hz version of the panel is 3000R cuvred, while the 144Hz version is 1800R curved.

The LTM340YP03 we knew about before, but not by part name. This is a 34" 1800R curved ultra-wide screen with 3440 x 1440 resolution. It's based on VA panel technology and will offer a 3 side frame less design and refresh rate support of 100Hz. We know LG are pushing their 34" 1440p IPS panels up to 144Hz, so perhaps this will change with Samsung by the time it goes in to production, currently planned for September 2016. On the other hand, maybe they've not been able to drive response times low enough on the VA technology to make anything more than 100Hz practical.

 

[Nexus18]

OVERWATCH WILL GET 21.9 SUPPORT!

We're working on this now. ETA late July -- give or take.

Don't have the game myself but just goes to show if people speak up and vote with their wallets, companies will crumble


Everybody's gone to rapture 21.9 issues fixed as well.

http://steamcommunity.com/games/417880/announcements/detail/599358318188406486

 

[Nexus18]

They are coming next year according to tftcentral.

 

[Nexus18]

Everything is here:

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=29625413&postcount=1025

 

[Nexus18]

*sigh*

For those who were thinking of getting overwatch because of 21.9 support being confirmed and the update landed today.... you better hold of again:



http://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20746784507?page=11#post-205

9 hours ago

We do not plan to increase the max FOV beyond 103, in any resolution. As a result, this doesn't leave us with a lot of options for 21:9 support. I know this is not the answer our 21:9 players want to hear. But we feel like it would be unfair to 16:10 and 16:9 players if 21:9 gave a substantial FOV advantage.

Better not support players using higher than 60HZ screens, wired internet, mice with the zowie fk 1/g502 sensor, mechanical keyboards, £100+ headphones with a good soundcard etc. etc.

 

[Nexus18]

Its a competitive advantage tho.

And none of these are a competitive advantage especially a 144HZ VS 60 HZ screen?

higher than 60HZ screens, wired internet, mice with the zowie fk 1/g502 sensor, mechanical keyboards, £100+ headphones with a good soundcard etc. etc.

 

[Nexus18]

Got to love the ignore feature, makes reading this forum so much better at times, just a shame it doesn't block the quotes too....

 

[Nexus18]

^^

That is what it is like for all the 21.9 IPS panels/monitors.

The reason the bottom doesn't appear the same is because it has an external plastic chassis covering that part, without the chassis plastic assembly, it would more or less be the same as the top and sides.

Unfortunately, the "promo" pictures are misleading and show no bezel at all.

Sorry for adding to the quotes problem.

No need to apologise, it's not your fault

Just spotted this somewhere else and never thought about it due to always having my taskbar at the bottom. Running on the side supposed to give you slightly more pixels.

Do most of you run with it at the bottom or tried on the left side? (going to try this myself tonight)

Done this since getting my 21.9 screen, much better especially for 2560x1080 21.9 screens, get a bit more vertical space for the browser etc.

 

[Nexus18]

Nothing wrong with 29" 2560x1080.

You still get the full benefits of 21.9, you just don't get as much screen space and vertical height as the 34" 1440 screens but there are 2 pros to this as well, significantly cheaper + far easier to run.

As for which screen, there really isn't much other than the LG ones So just grab the freesync 75HZ version.

Although I would wait as if you read back a bit we will be seeing more 21.9 screens with better refresh rates.

 

[Nexus18]

Still loving 21.9 for gaming as well, I was tempted to pack up PC gaming for console but there is no way I could go back to 16.9, it is just so squashed looking in comparison.

Been re-playing batman arkham city and origins lately and it has great 21.9 support out of the box:

Spoiler

Can't wait for a 34" 144HZ VA/OLED freesync monitor to come out!

 

[Nexus18]

In terms of smoothness/motion clarity, he is right, 100fps will look better than 50fps.

In terms of sharpness/clarity then that is where 3440x1440 will look better.

Also, you have to remember that just because something is a higher res. doesn't necessarily mean it will look better, the increased sharpness/clarity you see with higher res. panels is down to the higher PPI (pixels per inch)

 

[Nexus18]

Show me a 2560x1080 looking better than a 3440x1440 and I'll believe you.

Can you not grasp the difference between smoothness/motion clarity and sharpness/clarity?

Did I say that 2560x1080 will look better than 3440x1440 in terms of sharpness/clarity? No.

Show me where 50fps will look better than 100fps in terms of smoothness and motion clarity and I'll believe you.

 

[Nexus18]

***REMOVED***.

Nope, just pointing out simple facts, let me lay these facts out again for you

1. 100 fps will look better than 50 fps for motion clarity and smoothness
2. 3440x1440 will look better than 2560x1080 for sharpness/clarity

Do you not agree? If not, then why? And please post some proof showing otherwise.

Let me ask you another question, do you just stand still and not move around in games? If not, then yes your fps even at 30 won't matter to you.... but if you are actually playing the game like most people would, which requires you to you know... move around especially in a quick paced FPS shooter then 100 fps will look a lot better than 50 fps in terms of motion clarity because the image being produced will look clearer rather than a blurry mess (as long as the display has a refresh rate capable of going to 100HZ).

And good to see you have as usual dropped to the insults level again...

 

[Nexus18]

No you're comparing motion now, I'm talking about what looks better. Just put a game on the monitors at the res's were talking about, stand back and look at it.

Is it that difficult to do ?

My girlfriend is gorgeous, tonight instead of looking at how good she looks, I'll pick her up and swing her the **** around my living room, after it she will ask me wtf I am doing, and my response is seeing how good you look but to do that I needed a bit of motion.

You've both be warned, let's keep it civil please.

So you don't move around in games at all? You just place your character somewhere and stand up and look at your monitor and think wow this game is stunning...

News flash, to progress in a game, you have to you know.... move around and when you move/look around, motion blur is introduced and 50 fps in comparison to 100 fps is a blurry mess thus you are losing sharpness/clarity to the image when "playing" the game...

Go test 100HZ and 50HZ on this:

http://www.testufo.com/#test=photo&photo=eiffel.jpg&pps=960&pursuit=0&height=0

Get back to me and tell me which refresh rate/image looks better.

 

[Nexus18]

At the end of the day, you questioned what someone else preferred and in a way they are right, it is as simple as this:

Smoothness/motion clarity - 100fps looks better than 50fps

Sharpness/clarity - 3440x1440 looks better than 2560x1080

Surely even you can understand this???

I know for a fact that if playing the likes of CS:GO, BF 4 or any fast paced game, I would much rather have a lower res. display with 100FPS over a higher res display with 50FPS

Again, I invite you to try this out:

http://www.testufo.com/#test=photo&photo=eiffel.jpg&pps=960&pursuit=0&height=0

Set your refresh to 50HZ and 100HZ and then get back to me telling me which refresh rate/image looks better.

If you need more education on motion blur, here is a superb in depth article by tftcentral:

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/motion_blur.htm

EDIT:

And yes that is my last say on this, just going around in circles now.

If anyone wants to discuss this further, create another thread as this thread is only for 21.9 content.



EDIT:

Back on topic, just seen this:

Acer Predator Z301C with 30" Curved VA Panel and 200Hz Refresh

Acer have recently announced the release of a new 30" ultra-wide model in their Z1 gaming monitor series. The Predator Z301C model offers a 2560 x 1080 resolution and a curved format (1800R curvature). The VA panel being used supports up to 200Hz refresh rate which we believe to be achieved without the need for overclocking, using one of AU Optronics' new AMVA panels (M300DVR01.0 most likely). Whether the VA panel can offer response times fast enough to make this 200Hz refresh rate practical, and whether you can power a screen with this resolution at that kind of refresh rate reliably is another question of course. NVIDIA G-sync is also provided to support dynamic refresh rates.

In other specs the screen offers a 4ms G2G response time, 3000:1 contrast ratio, 100% sRGB coverage and 178/178 viewing angles. Tilt, height (120mm) and swivel adjustments are expected to be offered from the stand and given the NVIDIA G-sync module we would expect to see DisplayPort and HDMI inputs provided. There are also 2x 7W DTS speakers included. The design looks to be similar to that of the Z35 we have already reviewed.

No word on price or release date yet but we know the expected panel should be in mass production now from AUO. Probably 2 - 3 months we would predict before the screen is released. We will update this news piece if we get any further information from Acer as well

Looks good, hopefully we see a freesync version too...

30" 2560x1080 should be pretty decent, adds just that little bit more height whilst still keeping a decent PPI value

 

[Nexus18]

Yup arkham knight is superb looking although having just seen this guide to removing the post-processing filter from arkham origins, it doesn't look too far of AK now

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=731068275

Some more origins screenies:

Spoiler

 

[Nexus18]

I get awful hitching in batman arkham city every now and then, very noticeable when using the glide grappling boost. I have to have physx off otherwise it completely kills my performance.

Arkham origins runs well for me with physx set to normal though (can't go any higher since I am on AMD), however, there are a few areas where FPS drops to 10-20 fps, latest area being at blackgate prison, no idea what causes it as even with physx off, it still happens

Funnily arkham knight even when first released (after I applied some fixes from kaiden) ran far better for me than AC and AO

 

[Nexus18]

I have the 29um65, more or less the same panel just without freesync and stuck at 60HZ. Check the OP for the 29" LG thread where more people post about their experience (although for the older models like mine)

I find it fine for gaming. I don't have any serious issues with input lag and motion blur/response time wise, it is one of the better 60HZ IPS screens out there for gaming. With that one you linked being 75HZ, input lag should be lower as well as having slightly better motion clarity "overall" and of course freesync being a nice bonus if you have an AMD GPU, iirc the range for that is 40-75hz.