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290 or 970?

Petey, do you bench using the ASUS bios and GPU Tweak?

If not. Then yes, its probably the fact that you're ignorant of these things that keeps you from running 1300+.

If yes, bad silicone. Or you're not willing to push your cards.
 
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Rangerjr1 said:
when 9/10 of people on here dont know about GPU Tweak and the bios then yea, its usually inexperience that keeps them from doing 1300+.
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no it's sound common sense, it's called relaxing and enjoying your gaming without the GPU crashing all the time

do you think i care if i loose 10 FPS if it's already doing 100fps .... no, you're after stability only...... no artifacts
 
Mal X said:
no it's sound common sense, it's called relaxing and enjoying your gaming without the GPU crashing all the time

do you think i care if i loose 10 FPS if it's already doing 100fps .... no, you're after stability only...... no artifacts
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I understand what you're saying but i dont know how it fits the context of what i was saying.
 
Anyways OP, both cards run games the same, as Mal X said. If you're in the 100s why care if you lose 10 fps because you chose 1 card over the other.

Just get whatever you want.
 
lovelyhead said:
Oh man I've opened a can of worms here! Everything I read seems to be suggesting I should just get a 290 and save some money as performance seems to be about the same but then there is this niggling doubt at the back of my mind saying get the 970. Maybe it is because it is new and shiny!
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Just look at the pluses and minuses for both.

AMD 290

Pluses
£230 price (cheapest)
Mantle in Thief/BF4/Sniper Elite V3 maybe one more but coming in other games as well (adds slightly more frames to games)
TruAudio in a couple of games (Thief and Lichdom)
GVR (records gameplay)
Free games
Overclocks fairly well

Minuses
heat (will get hot and will heat your case up(needs good case air flow))
Power draw (uses a fair chunk more power than other GPUs)

GTX 970

Pluses
PhysX in 44 games (adds extra pretties to games)
GameWorks games you get ALL the benefit and not just some
ShadowPlay (records gameplay)
DSR (allows you to upscale a game to 4K resolution)
Overclocks very well
runs very cool and quiet

Minuses
Not as cheap as it should be (£260 cheapest)
No free games
Not much extra voltage available to play with

There will be more but as you have no intention of swapping monitors, it seems silly to mention G-Sync and I am sure we can split hairs on those but they are generally what is what.
 
Rangerjr1 said:
Petey, do you bench using the ASUS bios and GPU Tweak?

If not. Then yes, its probably the fact that you're ignorant of these things that keeps you from running 1300+.

If yes, bad silicone. Or you're not willing to push your cards.
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I don't see why I should need to **** about with all that.
+200mv in Trixx and it does what it does. /end

Either way, comparing having to do all that to get those kind of clocks on water for benching with a card that does what it does with no added voltage on air and can probably run 24/7 in games is pretty funny though.

Do continue :p
 
Rangerjr1 said:
Anyways OP, both cards run games the same, as Mal X said. If you're in the 100s why care if you lose 10 fps because you chose 1 card over the other.

Just get whatever you want.
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It's obvious both cards will play games perfectly fine, but that's not what we we're on about. What the debate was about is whether a vanilla 290 at 1200 on the core is a match for a 970 at 1500MHz which it won't be, simple as that really.
 
Uncle Petey said:
I don't see why I should need to **** about with all that.
+200mv in Trixx and it does what it does. /end

Either way, comparing having to do all that to get those kind of clocks on water for benching with a card that does what it does with no added voltage on air and can probably run 24/7 in games is pretty funny though.

Do continue :p
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ding ding ding.

Inexperience is why he's not getting 1300+ :D :cool:
 
Geeman1979 said:
It's obvious both cards will play games perfectly fine, but that's not what we we're on about. What the debate was about is whether a vanilla 290 at 1200 on the core is a match for a 970 at 1500MHz which it won't be, simple as that really.
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If these drivers really give that boost in games as well as firestrike a 1200 290 should be on PAR with a 970 at 1500, i guess its the game and resolution making a difference from that point.
 
Rangerjr1 said:
nono i get it, but firestrike was the context wasnt it?
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Only to you, but keep moving the goalposts all you like.

Rangerjr1 said:
Most people on here dont even know that Trixx gives you +200mV instead of the +100mV that MSI offers. That might be why... And most dont water cool.
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Btw, it's not inexperience or ignorance that's stopping me from jumping through hoops to *possibly* achieve higher clocks, it's simply the fact that I don't give a toss. I'm really not that into benching.

Once again, 970's do what they do on air, with no extra volts and can more often than not hold it for gaming.
 
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Uncle Petey said:
Only to you, but keep moving the goalposts all you like.
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It just so happens that my 290p is exceptionally good, it will do 1310 at +200mV. My other cards wouldnt , but i was able to get all cards to run at 1300+ using the ASUS bios and Tweak.

And the post i was quoting to was 1200 core 290s, not 1300+ rofl
 
Rangerjr1 said:
If these drivers really give that boost in games as well as firestrike a 1200 290 should be on PAR with a 970 at 1500, i guess its the game and resolution making a difference from that point.
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We don't work on if's & speculation we work on facts. All someone needs to do is run a 290 at 1200 and a 970 at 1500 in FS, both on the latest drivers and compare, as easy as that.
 
Rangerjr1 this all started because you stepped in and said 1200mhz wasn't a good clock for a 290. Then you started moving the goalposts with massive voltage clocks and custom bios and adding watercooling in the mix.

Rangerjr1 said:
Nah, good 290 is 1240-1250+. 1320+ for benching is what i consider good. And not too uncommon either apparently, all my cards have done atleast 1300.
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You'd think 3 months would give your ego a rest.
So for a 290 to compete at a gaming level (24/7 stable) you need to flash to the asus bios, unlock silly voltage, hope your card has decent silicon and shove 1.5v through the chip (water only, preferable chilly weather from Norway) just to compete with a 970 boosting to 1500core using stock voltage.
 
Ayahuasca said:
Rangerjr1 this all started because you stepped in and said 1200mhz wasn't a good clock for a 290. Then you started moving the goalposts with massive voltage clocks and custom bios and adding watercooling in the mix.
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I am completely aware im comparing water cooled 290s vs air cooled 970s lol
 
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