3/4 way sli won't be enabled for GAMES

beany_bot · 10 Jun 2016 at 09:35

More bad news RE Pascal. Not great is it.
Heat throttled, price gouged "founders" card.
Partner cards that wont overclock worth a **** (regardless of additional power pins that everyone thought would help)
1080 priced as a high end card even though a well clocked 980Ti can beat it.
No 3 or 4 way SLI (unless it's for benchmarks so that Nvidia still look good....)

Hmmm. Hope AMD Vega can keep Nvidia on their toes. At the moment they can do what they want without giving a damn about customers.

Marine-RX179 · 10 Jun 2016 at 10:39

Kaapstad said:
This is why all gamers need a strong AMD.

Competition keeps companies on their toes, without it users have to accept what NVidia decides to do -

Today - overpriced FE Pascal cards
Tomorrow - no SLI for 3 or 4 cards
Next month - what next.......

The best Nvidia card at sub £200 with only 64-bit memory bus

Kaapstad · 10 Jun 2016 at 11:06

KillBoY_UK said:
Today - You don't have to buy the FE cards, the normal cards came in at the same price as 980ti when they first launched , if people want to spend more moeny for there e-p then let them

Tomorrow - multi gpu scaling above 2 in real world scenarios has always been terrible for both camps focusing on 2 way smart use of resources

Next Month - With any luck we will have a sub £200 1060 to battle the RX480 and hopefully will shut up the AMD fanboys at least untill Vega lol

Below is my old TitanXs in 4 way SLI running ROTTR maxed @2160p.

If NVidia stick to 2 way SLI for Pascal it is going to take a long time before any NVidia setup can beat my 4 way score. Perhaps Volta may manage it but that is a long long long way off.

Having said that AMD could beat it quite easy when Vega turns up.

2160p

1 GPU

Score 19.14, Min 6.19, GPU TitanX @1471/2002, CPU 5960X @4.0, Kaapstad Link DX11 364.51 Drivers
Score 18.86, Min 6.34, GPU 980 Ti @1570/2102, CPU 4930k @4.0, Kaapstad Link DX11 364.51 Drivers
Score 18.33, Min 13.01, GPU 980 Ti @1570/2102, CPU 4930k @4.0, Kaapstad Link DX12 364.51 Drivers
Score 17.86, Min 12.18, GPU TitanX @1471/2002, CPU 5960X @4.0, Kaapstad Link DX12 364.51 Drivers

2 GPU

3 GPU

4 GPU

Score 66.95, Min 23.06, GPU TitanX @1430/1952, CPU 5960X @4.0, Kaapstad Link DX11 364.51 Drivers

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KillBoY_UK · 10 Jun 2016 at 11:08

Marine-RX179 said:
The best Nvidia card at sub £200 with only 64-bit memory bus

What are you on about the 950/960 have a 128bit bus :confused:

, anyway has Maxwell/Pascal/Polaris not proven that having a huge bus is not everything ?

r7slayer · 10 Jun 2016 at 11:14

String said:
Yes, well I think that says more about the game than it does about performance requirements. And if you think monitors don't dictate performance requirements then have a look at it's 4k benchmarks.

Games do because when you turn all those fancy effects off and turn odd settings down youll get much more fps even at 4k as well as other res

VincentHanna · 10 Jun 2016 at 11:18

KillBoY_UK said:
What are you on about the 950/960 have a 128bit bus , anyway has Maxwell/Pascal/Polaris not proven that having a huge bus is not everything ?

He was being sarcastic about Nvidia's plans following on from Kaapstads 'whatever next' diatribe.

JediFragger · 10 Jun 2016 at 11:36

Thing is, you can be pretty sure that nVidia are also going to stop development on 3/4 card setups full stop including the previous gen ones!! Poor show tbh, esp for people who've invested in mGPU systems :eek:

Mauller · 10 Jun 2016 at 11:41

The

JediFragger said:
Thing is, you can be pretty sure that nVidia are also going to stop development on 3/4 card setups full stop including the previous gen ones!! Poor show tbh, esp for people who've invested in mGPU systems

They are a tiny part of a small part of the market. Focusing on dual mgpu is the best as the mainstream market is bigger and selling more into it nets them more compared to the tony proportion of enthusiasts who buy 2-4 cards.

Orangey · 10 Jun 2016 at 12:29

Mauller said:
The

They are a tiny part of a small part of the market. Focusing on dual mgpu is the best as the mainstream market is bigger and selling more into it nets them more compared to the tony proportion of enthusiasts who buy 2-4 cards.

There is no need to lock it off and the people celebrating this seem like bitter/jealous of those who could afford to do it.

Vish Petrol · 10 Jun 2016 at 12:42

Whos gonna buy the 8pack Onion then?

Seanspeed · 10 Jun 2016 at 12:52

Orangey said:
There is no need to lock it off and the people celebrating this seem like bitter/jealous of those who could afford to do it.

Haha. No man. People think this is a good thing because it allows the driver developers at Nvidia to not have to waste their time trying to support this ultra niche market and can focus more on dual card setups.

It'd be different if 2-card SLI support was univerally solid, but it's quite far from that, I'm sure you'd agree. It deserves more attention.

Devrij · 10 Jun 2016 at 13:02

Seanspeed said:
Haha. No man. People think this is a good thing because it allows the driver developers at Nvidia to not have to waste their time trying to support this ultra niche market and can focus more on dual card setups.

It'd be different if 2-card SLI support was univerally solid, but it's quite far from that, I'm sure you'd agree. It deserves more attention.

I think people are being naive if they believe that dropping tri and quad sli means loads more time to spend on two way. It's just an indication that mgpu is not a priority anymore.

Devs should be interested in mgpu because it means they can bust a crysis and say "here is the prettiest game in the world" and you can actually play it because mgpu raises the amount of horsepower people can buy. Everybody else gets to turn down their settings. A bit like witcher 2 with its supersampling. It's good marketing to be able to have more gpu grunt driving better looking games.

Radox-0 · 10 Jun 2016 at 13:21

beany_bot said:
More bad news RE Pascal. Not great is it.
Heat throttled, price gouged "founders" card.
Partner cards that wont overclock worth a **** (regardless of additional power pins that everyone thought would help)
1080 priced as a high end card even though a well clocked 980Ti can beat it.
No 3 or 4 way SLI (unless it's for benchmarks so that Nvidia still look good....)

Hmmm. Hope AMD Vega can keep Nvidia on their toes. At the moment they can do what they want without giving a damn about customers.

- Reference cards since using boost have typically throttled. My Titan X's reduced to base clock speed at times just like the 1080 can if it gets too hot. Thing is you can ramp up the fan and its not a problem and the blower runs quieter on this then Titan X.

- That's peoples fault for getting high expectations in regards to aftermarket cards then. Also its not like many have been released in numbers.

- Really? Can a highly OC'd 980Ti beat and stock 1080, sure. But OC the 1080 and you won't beat the 1080. Lets compare apples to apples please. The price is expensive, overly so but some models can be had for sub £550 and some decent after market for £600. Yes still expensive, but its a position the card will sell given its currently king of the hill regardless of if its only the mid-range card.

- It does suck Nvidia are not supporting 3/4 way SLI as a user of Tri-Way before. However reality is its a very small niche of the market for a majority of people so understandable why they would put effort in elsewhere (though I doubt they will spend effort elsewhere myself)

Jumper118 · 10 Jun 2016 at 14:40

Vish Petrol said:
Whos gonna buy the 8pack Onion then?

people who think it looks cool and like to play firestrike.

Kaapstad · 10 Jun 2016 at 15:22

Orangey said:
There is no need to lock it off and the people celebrating this seem like bitter/jealous of those who could afford to do it.

This is the tone of some of the posts I have seen.

What ever happened to DX12 being fantastic for mGPU ?

The other comical thing is GTX 1080s can not play Crysis 3 maxed out @2160p and this is now quite an old game. NVidia have just taken PC gaming backwards 3 years.

TheRealDeal · 10 Jun 2016 at 15:27

Kaapstad said:
This is the tone of some of the posts I have seen.

What ever happened to DX12 being fantastic for mGPU ?

The other comical thing is GTX 1080s can not play Crysis 3 maxed out @2160p and this is now quite an old game. NVidia have just taken PC gaming backwards 3 years.

Stop buying 4 of there most expensive cards then

. You are only enforcing there ideals. I don't know anyone that has bought more top end Nvidia cards than you yet you are the least supported.

Amd are just as bad in this regard.

Mauller · 10 Jun 2016 at 15:29

It would have been nice if Microsoft added some functionality to DX11.3 that helped with mGPU explicitly. But all it added were the DX12.1 functions.

Seanspeed · 10 Jun 2016 at 15:30

Devrij said:
I think people are being naive if they believe that dropping tri and quad sli means loads more time to spend on two way. It's just an indication that mgpu is not a priority anymore.

Devs should be interested in mgpu because it means they can bust a crysis and say "here is the prettiest game in the world" and you can actually play it because mgpu raises the amount of horsepower people can buy. Everybody else gets to turn down their settings. A bit like witcher 2 with its supersampling. It's good marketing to be able to have more gpu grunt driving better looking games.

Any increase in resources for 2-way SLI would be beneficial.

And nobody is going to make 'the prettiest game in the world' and all the money that would cost when only a tiny fraction of people with ultra powerful PC's can run it decently.

Also, nothing stopping a developer if they wanted to/could do that. They'll just have to use DX12. They'll go bankrupt right afterwards, but it's possible to do.

Kaapstad · 10 Jun 2016 at 15:43

Seanspeed said:
Any increase in resources for 2-way SLI would be beneficial.

For NVidia to increase resources for 2 way SLI would be easy as they are not exactly short of money.

Going forward NVidia won't be putting more money into 2 way SLI, they will just pocket the tiny amount they save by not supporting 3/4 way SLI.

I have not seen AMD make a statement about 3/4 way CF support yet and they really do need to save money. No this is just NVidia being plain greedy.

Dicehunter · 10 Jun 2016 at 15:52

Kaapstad said:
For NVidia to increase resources for 2 way SLI would be easy as they are not exactly short of money.

Going forward NVidia won't be putting more money into 2 way SLI, they will just pocket the tiny amount they save by not supporting 3/4 way SLI.

I have not seen AMD make a statement about 3/4 way CF support yet and they really do need to save money. No this is just NVidia being plain greedy.

All being well AMD will continue support for 3/4 way crossfire when Vega comes out so then it will be a selling point for the elite tier crowd