30/11 Strikes.

I wonder how many public sector employees would remain in role if the public sector had to earn it's money rather than steal it? How many are providing productive, customer driven services that people would choose over potential competition...

This pathetic logic again? It isn't theft if you enjoy your existance in society. If you don't enjoy perhaps you can go somewhere where people don't "steal" from you to live in a construct. I can smell the desperation from your dying breed. ;)
 
I wonder how many public sector employees would remain in role if the public sector had to earn it's money rather than steal it? How many are providing productive, customer driven services that people would choose over potential competition...

Seen how my father used to work over 14 hours a day as a medical doctor, and my mother as teacher, and being paid much less than others who effectively give nothing back to society. And having seen the environment around them, I think you need a reality check, since it is thanks to people like them that this country runs like it does. And not to greedy ones who would allow others to die since they do not have an insurance, or let them grow ignorant because they made the mistake of not having enough money to afford a good education.

I am more concerned about those obsessed with setting a dollar value to everything and everyone.
 
Teachers
Nurses
Firemen
Police
Bin men
Job centre workers
Libraries

Yes Dolph lets get rid of these people and privatise, its what you want and the tories, either sell it off or shut it down, you will be happy!

The only one that couldn't be privatised is the police (due to requiring direct access to the state monopoly of force).

Why do the others need to be state run monopoly services funded by money taken under threat of force?
 
The only one that couldn't be privatised is the police (due to requiring direct access to the state monopoly of force).

Why do the others need to be state run monopoly services funded by money taken under threat of force?

The constitutional arrangement of sovereignty. Don't like it, find a deserted island somewhere along with the other 'Freemen' of the land. ;)
 
Seen how my father used to work over 14 hours a day as a medical doctor, and my mother as teacher, and being paid much less than others who effectively give nothing back to society. And having seen the environment around them, I think you need a reality check, since it is thanks to people like them that this country runs like it does. And not to greedy ones who would allow others to die since they do not have an insurance, or let them grow ignorant because they made the mistake of not having enough money to afford a good education.

I am more concerned about those obsessed with setting a dollar value to everything and everyone.



This is Britain, we have the Pound not the Dollar, we have the NHS, not HMOs and a good Education is not (generally)dependent on wealth.....

I have yet to meet a teacher that worked 14 hour days either.....
 
Seen how my father used to work over 14 hours a day as a medical doctor, and my mother as teacher, and being paid much less than others who effectively give nothing back to society. And having seen the environment around them, I think you need a reality check, since it is thanks to people like them that this country runs like it does. And not to greedy ones who would allow others to die since they do not have an insurance, or let them grow ignorant because they made the mistake of not having enough money to afford a good education.

I am more concerned about those obsessed with setting a dollar value to everything and everyone.

Firstly, you aren't the only one whose parents were involved in the public sector, my mother was a midwife within the NHS until they crippled her.

secondly, you do not require state provided and controlled services to operate a free at point of use model if you so wish.

Our system is poorly thought out, inefficient, bad value for money and bad for the staff. That's why we should reform it.
 
The constitutional arrangement of sovereignty. Don't like it, find a deserted island somewhere along with the other 'Freemen' of the land. ;)

And it's the law of the land that allows public sector terms to be changed...

Not that this is really a justification, it's an appeal to the status quo fallacy...
 
I sympathise with the civil servants to an extent. The only thing is I work in the private sector so I have paid loads of money into pension schemes that are practically worthless now and will probably have to work longer than them anyway.

I also earn less than somebody doing the same job in the public sector and without the union protection. I think this is becoming more wide spread and would be surprised if they have/keep the support of the country for very long.

Personally I think they should do what they think is right, however I think they may well end up with getting bitten on the bum as they are certainly not the low paid, hard done by workers of previous generations.

There is no ideal solution.
 
And it's the law of the land that allows public sector terms to be changed...

Not that this is really a justification, it's an appeal to the status quo fallacy...

Status quo shock horror that people have to pay tax to live in a country and receive the benefit of being within it, including a relatively safe environment for both society and business?

Yeah, really shot me there haven't you guv'.
 
You sure you wouldn't like to privatise the police too dolph?..... Are you really sure?

Yes thanks, there are certain other things, courts, prisons, parts of tax collection and so on that also shouldn't be privatised for the same reason.

No1 bullied me into it.... I was given a vote.

From your earlier post, you're in the bullying fraternity, rather than the bullied. The term Scab, and the union treatment of people who continue to work (including serious injury and death in the past), along with in work practice like work to rule towards the individuals and so on certainly qualifies as bullying...
 
Firstly, you aren't the only one whose parents were involved in the public sector, my mother was a midwife within the NHS until they crippled her.

The NHS crippled her?

secondly, you do not require state provided and controlled services to operate a free at point of use model if you so wish.

Our system is poorly thought out, inefficient, bad value for money and bad for the staff. That's why we should reform it.

So why are they keeping the NHS then dolph? Who is going to destroy the public sector and state like you wish?

Going to blame the stupid people again?
 
Firstly, you aren't the only one whose parents were involved in the public sector, my mother was a midwife within the NHS until they crippled her.

secondly, you do not require state provided and controlled services to operate a free at point of use model if you so wish.

Our system is poorly thought out, inefficient, bad value for money and bad for the staff. That's why we should reform it.

My personal experience is that those services were ruined when the six sigma, process improvement, and management gurus were invited into to the party. Also, trying to quantify in pounds certain services is a big mistake. The way it is going we are losing doctors, nurses and those helping and not the management layers.

My father lost 80% of his earning because a colleague made a mistake and gave him the wrong prescription, then had a severe case of TB because they didn't have money for proper isolation of some cases, and he decided to stay on call, shorting his life. In 50 years, never heard him complain once, only about management, not doctors or nurses or their dedication.
 
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