30/11 Strikes.

I work in the public sector, and am most definitely in the low income bracket. But I haven't thrown a tantrum about the pensions, I've simply left the pension and will now start saving the money instead. At this stage in my life, I just can't afford to be paying the £120/month into the pension, that I would if I was to stay in with these changes.
 
amigafan2003 said:
I believe it is fair to have the contract you signed honoured and if that is not possible (as I agree with Dolph there are occassions require a change of contract) then there should be negotiations to reach agreement on that change.

What I think is unfair is that there have not been any negotiations on these contract changes - dictation != negotiation.

I also think it's unfair for those changes to be a stealth tax on the easy to target public sector that will be used to reduce the deficit and NOT to ensure pensions are adequately provisioned (if the aim was to "fix" the pensions then the extra funds would be ringfenced).
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Affordability is not a negotiable thing, it's economics, the negotiation is around how to meet the revised figures, not about whether they should apply.
 
Basher said:
Explain the conflict of interest ...
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Did not see this post.

The conflict of interest is when you have public sector workers that will obviously vote for the party that increases their pay and increases the size of the state. Welfare recipients that will always vote for more welfare and better deals.

That would be like giving private sector workers, a vote in the management of their company. Of course they would vote in the best manager (from their perspective, not necessarily the best in the interest of the company) that gives them the best deal. Which of course would bankrupt the business.
 
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What annoys me is the way people treat Political parties like football teams. Its as if they support them because it has been passed down through the generations. My dad was one of these.

However, i am not. I voted Labour in 1997 due to my circumstances at the time. The manifesto suited my needs and i voted.

In the last general election i voted Conservative because my circumstances changed.

Whats wierd is, i like some of Labours policies as they pay the most for tenants to stay in my rental properties:p
 
platypus said:
The unions say there haven't been negotiations, the government say there have.

Why is it ok for the unions to dictate changes or strike, but not ok for the government to apparently do the same?
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They aren't dictating changes :rolleyes:

They are asking for negotiations.
 
[Cas];20695371 said:
I work in the public sector, and am most definitely in the low income bracket. But I haven't thrown a tantrum about the pensions, I've simply left the pension and will now start saving the money instead. At this stage in my life, I just can't afford to be paying the £120/month into the pension, that I would if I was to stay in with these changes.
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I was thinking the same whilst watching the news. The pensions will be worthless in 30/40 years time. Invest the money elsewhere (pay down your mortgage etc) as no one is forcing the Public Sector to invest in a pension.

Oh and if you choose to carrying on investing in the pension, then obviously it is worthwile and a good thing. If so then no need to strike? :)
 
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[Cas];20695371 said:
I work in the public sector, and am most definitely in the low income bracket. But I haven't thrown a tantrum about the pensions, I've simply left the pension and will now start saving the money instead. At this stage in my life, I just can't afford to be paying the £120/month into the pension, that I would if I was to stay in with these changes.
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If your contributions are going up in any significant way, you aren't in the low income bracket, given that the contribution increase is nothing until £15,000 and capped at 1.5% for those earning under £21k.

By low income do you mean average uk wage?
 
County said:
What annoys me is the way people treat Political parties like football teams. Its as if they support them because it has been passed down through the generations.
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Hence the Labour domination in Scotland (I'm ignoring the SNP for arguments sake) and the utter refusual to vote for the Conservatives no matter what. It drives me bananas. You shouldn't have such blind loyalty to a political party, it doesn't help anyone.
 
This thread hurts my eyes.

So many people defending/insulting/criticising political systems they don't even understand.

Please read these following pages before you continue posting, I can't even be bothered to correct people who simply buy into fox news propaganda & believe socialism to be a "swear word", it's like the idiot adults who have seen too many 80's action films who think that Russia was actually a real communist state.

The kind of people who don't know the different between Marxist communism & Stalinism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_politics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism

Read.
 
topshot said:
So there should be immunity from cuts just because they are public sector and dont agree with it? :rolleyes:
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Where have i said that? Personally I think the public sector is a little bloated and needs trimming - especially "policy" directorates. I don't think there is any need for CR's though - natural wastage should suffice - the civil service actually has a remarkably high staff turnover. i also think salaries should be adjusted BUT for new starters only - i.e. reduce all the starting salaries by 10% across the baord - then we'll find out out if the wages are competitive to attract applicants from the private sector.

Lets not forget how many private sector people have had pension schemes scrapped and wage cuts/freezes to go along with it.
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There we go with the "I'm screwed, everyone else should be as well" - reverse envy - it's awesome! Would it not be fairer to do something to ensure those in the private sector are treated better?

I get the feeling a lot of workers felt bullied into striking yesterday either from colleagues or union reps.
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Are you confusing peer pressure with bullying? Do you fell bullied into going to the pub when all your friends state they are going and they call you boring if you say you want a quiet night in?
 
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County said:
I was thinking the same whilst watching the news. The pensions will be worthless in 30/40 years time. Invest the money elsewhere (pay down your mortgage etc) as no one is forcing the Public Sector to invest in a pension.

Oh and if you choose to carrying on investing in the pension, then obviously it is worthwile and a good thing. If so then no need to strike? :)
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Public sector wont, but yes although i have a private pension i think property is the way to go.
 
amigafan2003 said:
They aren't dictating changes :rolleyes:

They are asking for negotiations.
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So you say. The government say they're sitting down to negotiations, and have been since November 2nd, but the unions have pressed ahead with their strikes anyway, to score their political point..

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Public sector wont, but yes although i have a private pension i think property is the way to go.
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Property is one of the plethora of investment schemes that you should look at to prepare for your retirement.

Are you confusing peer pressure with bullying? Do you fell bullied into going to the pub when all your friends state they are going and they call you boring if you say you want a quiet night in?
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Except it goes a little further with unions doesn't it, when the "scabs" cross the picket line?
 
groen said:
@elmarko1234

At the moment we have totalitarian socialist/fascist state in the uk.
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Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Confusing reality with the book you're currently reading again groen?
 
platypus said:
So you say. The government say they're sitting down to negotiations, and have been since November 2nd, but the unions have pressed ahead with their strikes anyway, to score their political point..
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Dictation != negotiation.
 
Ahleckz said:
Hence the Labour domination in Scotland (I'm ignoring the SNP for arguments sake) and the utter refusual to vote for the Conservatives no matter what. It drives me bananas. You shouldn't have such blind loyalty to a political party, it doesn't help anyone.
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Indeed,

I'd prefer somebody to vote against me after doing some reading than simply voting for whoever somebody they know does.

I really don't think people who vote in line with family deserve a vote, if you can't be bothered to educate yourself on politics then don't vote - the voting population is already small enough without fools (from both Labour & Tory) voting without even knowing what they are voting for.
 
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