30/11 Strikes.

Nathan said:
Lol! Yes ok, like managing detentions and after school sports activities. Teaching is not just at primary level...
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All part of their current working time, unless you are saying that the teachers contracted working time is from 9am to 3.30pm......which I am quite sure would undermine your argument somewhat.

Most schools have Directed Time allocated to cover detentions and after school activities, so saying that they are unpaid is pretty disingenuous. East Sussex (I have a friend who teaches in a secondary school, said that they have around 120 hours set aside for after hours working including detentions and after school activities, this is in addition to their PPA time)

Not to mention that the STPCD this year states that additional payment can be made to full time classroom teachers for learning activities outside of the 1,258.5 hours DT.
 
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platypus said:
:confused: So let me get this right. A private sector worker taking work home is being a mug, but a public sector worker taking work home is part of the norm and a reason why their pensions should be protected?
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No, they're a mug too :p
 
Nathan said:
In reality you should be retired at 59 ;)

Do you not get bonuses or overtime or a christmas payment?
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So you looked at my age. ;)

We share an annual bonus in march depending on profitability of the whole company, normally about 5% of income.

I do have one company pension which I may take at age 60 but will carry on working so would pay tax on it if I took it. That is based on 25 years service and worth about 13k pa

I contribute to another scheme which is only five years old.
 
RaohNS said:
Not in comparison to public sector workers on low wages, of course not :) just making the statement that they are still being hit hard... it is afterall affecting their pensions.
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Not just low wage staff, even non-teaching staff on the same wage or higher than teachers are getting hit harder than teachers. It’s not just the pension, it’s everything else that is going off and as whole teachers are lightly hit. Even the loss in wage for striking is less for teachers then everyone else.

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Teachers lose 1/365th of annual salary per strike day
Rest of school staff and public workers lose 1/260th of annual salary per strikeday.
 
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Can anyone actually tell me WHY they are striking and give me any kind of justification for it?

As far as I can tell they're whining about reduced pensions, but that can't possibly be the reason they're striking...

....Because everyone else is suffering too, but we just get along with it and suck it up.

The public sector worker sense of entitlement makes me sick. Show me a public sector worker who works as hard as his private sector equivalent. Slack, lazy, useless.

Teachers - fair enough they work hard, but they also get student loans paid off and a decent enough salary. Everybody is struggling, not just you lot. We all have to take a hit if we want to sort this mess out.
 
Castiel said:
All part of their current working time, unless you are saying that the teachers contracted working time is from 9am to 3.30pm......which I am quite sure would undermine your argument somewhat.
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You are technically correct but how many do you know that start work at 09:00 and leave at 15:30?

And don't give me that rubbish about not managing time more effectively.

My wife gets into school for at least 08:30 to prepare the class room for the pupils and doesn't leave until at least 16:00 to ensure the next days lesson plans and marking is complete. Then there is at least one management meeting per week that she has to attend that runs until 17:00.

Tell me, how exactly can better time management avoid the requirement for her to be at school during those times?

Teachers currently undertake the highest amount of unpaid overtime of ANY profession, and there is jack all evidence to state this is due to poor time management.
 
Castiel said:
All part of their current working time, unless you are saying that the teachers contracted working time is from 9am to 3.30pm......which I am quite sure would undermine your argument somewhat.

Most schools have Directed Time allocated to cover detentions and after school activities, so saying that they are unpaid is pretty disingenuous. East Sussex (I have a friend who teaches in a secondary school, said that they have around 120 hours set aside for after hours working including detentions and after school activities, this is in addition to their PPA time)

Not to mention that the STPCD this year states that additional payment can be made to full time classroom teachers for learning activities outside of the 1,258.5 hours DT.
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No its not part of working time at all.

They are paid a 32.5-hour working week. As of Thursday this week, they will finish at 1530 daily. No sports, no activities, no detentions, hell - even no photocopying.
 
Castiel said:
I wish my wife had such guarantees and didn't have to work on average in excess of 70hrs a week, including working through a significant part of her 5wk holiday entitlement.....including Christmas day last year....and probably this year also.
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With all due respect, if she is somehow forced to work on Christmas day she must be either very slow at completing the necessary work or very very poor at time management.

EDIT: I may have misunderstood this - is she a teacher? If so, the above definitely applies. If not - it still applies, to an extent depending on job, but regardless. That is no way to live.
 
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AndyT said:
With all due respect, if she is somehow forced to work on Christmas day she must be either very slow at completing the necessary work or very very poor at time management.
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indeed. I work through Christmas however I knew what I was getting into when I chose the career.
 
AndyT said:
Can anyone actually tell me WHY they are striking and give me any kind of justification for it?

As far as I can tell they're whining about reduced pensions, but that can't possibly be the reason they're striking...

....Because everyone else is suffering too, but we just get along with it and suck it up.

The public sector worker sense of entitlement makes me sick. Show me a public sector worker who works as hard as his private sector equivalent. Slack, lazy, useless.

Teachers - fair enough they work hard, but they also get student loans paid off and a decent enough salary. Everybody is struggling, not just you lot. We all have to take a hit if we want to sort this mess out.
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That’s easy look at IT staff. If anything they have to work harder as they have to put up with children trying to wreck the network. What about public workers in special needs schools?

It’s not just the pensions it’s everything else. Some examples like 4+year pay freeze, losing up to and sometimes over £8k to yearly wage. Not getting paid holidays but being expected to be on call and work all year around. All that while being paid less than private workers. Then to top it off the pensions pushed it over the top with paying more for less.

Exclude teachers from the above who skipped most of that.
 
amigafan2003 said:
You are technically correct but how many do you know that start work at 09:00 and leave at 15:30?

And don't give me that rubbish about not managing time more effectively.

My wife gets into school for at least 08:30 to prepare the class room for the pupils and doesn't leave until at least 16:00 to ensure the next days lesson plans and marking is complete. Then there is at least one management meeting per week that she has to attend that runs until 17:00.

Tell me, how exactly can better time management avoid the requirement for her to be at school during those times?

Teachers currently undertake the highest amount of unpaid overtime of ANY profession, and there is jack all evidence to state this is due to poor time management.
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She gets an enormous holiday entitlement and a reasonable salary. Yet still they whine.... Diddums
 
Pottsey said:
That’s easy look at IT staff. If anything they have to work harder as they have to put up with children trying to wreck the network. What about public workers in special needs schools?

It’s not just the pensions it’s everything else. Some examples like 4+year pay freeze, losing up to and sometimes over £8k to yearly wage. Not getting paid holidays but being expected to be on call and work all year around. All that while being paid less than private workers. Then to top it off the pensions pushed it over the top with paying more for less.

Exclude teachers from the above who skipped most of that.
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I presume you're not in that situation?

Why would anyone who was remotely talented in the IT industry put up with that :confused:
 
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