30-70 thread

Dup · 19 Jul 2007 at 12:29

M5 vs Type-R

I have no sound at work so can't tell how they're driving or if they sounded modded. But the Civic can get the pull for a brief period.

Also, these tests can be done either by booting it from 30 or passing through 30. I'm sure you have extra gain from starting at 20 and finishing at 80 and timing the 30-70 then.

[TW]Fox · 19 Jul 2007 at 12:30

Gibbo said:
Hi there

Just quote part of what I said hey.

Why would I quote stuff I'm not replying to :confused:

In the link posted above by the other guy that shows different results again, now the M5 is getting 4.8s which confirms my original case different press/reviews get different results even when using proper equipment.

The link posted above is again full of horribly inaccurate figures and we've no idea how they were arrived at.

Unless you think a BMW 330Ci is quicker 30-70 than a Skyline R33 GT-R or that a BMW 530i is quicker than a 540i

Bobbler · 19 Jul 2007 at 12:31

[TW]Fox said:
Figures, by their very nature, are supposed to be factual otherwise they are utterly meaningless, fun or not

You are the only one who seems to care to be honest.
The word "anal" suddenly springs to mind...

Dup · 19 Jul 2007 at 12:32

Should we have an OCUK 30-70 drag meet?

EDIT: Not driving in drag, unless you prefer

Gibbo · 19 Jul 2007 at 12:33

Dup said:
M5 vs Type-R

I have no sound at work so can't tell how they're driving or if they sounded modded. But the Civic can get the pull for a brief period.

Also, these tests can be done either by booting it from 30 or passing through 30. I'm sure you have extra gain from starting at 20 and finishing at 80 and timing the 30-70 then.

Hi there

How do autocar do their testing?

I was always under the impression that these kind of test were timed via passing through method. So start at 20mph and finish at 80mph and record the 30-70mph time.

So what method do the professionals use? If its the passing through method then that will indeed give slightly better result I would have thought than the booting it from 30mph method?

[TW]Fox · 19 Jul 2007 at 12:33

Dup said:
M5 vs Type-R

just lol at that, seriously. No idea what the circumstances there are but 197bhp Civic pulling away from 500bhp M5? Ok, sure

[TW]Fox · 19 Jul 2007 at 12:33

Gibbo said:
Hi there

How do autocar do their testing?

I was always under the impression that these kind of test were timed via passing through method. So start at 20mph and finish at 80mph and record the 30-70mph time.

So what method do the professionals use? If its the passing through method then that will indeed give slightly better result I would have thought than the booting it from 30mph method?

The tests are conducted by accelerating hard from a cruising speed of 30mph.

Gibbo · 19 Jul 2007 at 12:34

Dup said:
Should we have an OCUK 30-70 drag meet?

EDIT: Not driving in drag, unless you prefer

HI there

Gonna need a big car park.

Can we do it this Friday because I should win.

If its after this weekend I won't win in the BMW boat.

Gibbo · 19 Jul 2007 at 12:35

[TW]Fox said:
just lol at that, seriously. No idea what the circumstances there are but 197bhp Civic pulling away from 500bhp M5? Ok, sure

Hi there

That Civic is keep well ahead right into three figures which basically says to me that Civic is modified, I am thinking no doubt supercharged which would definetely make the Civic quicker. If its not supercharged the engine is either really high strung or the BMW driver is accelerating by pressing his cruise control buttons.

[TW]Fox · 19 Jul 2007 at 12:37

Me and Gibbo agree

Dup · 19 Jul 2007 at 12:38

[TW]Fox said:
just lol at that, seriously. No idea what the circumstances there are but 197bhp Civic pulling away from 500bhp M5? Ok, sure

Just put Type-R vs in Youtube. Some random results to say the least!

Gibbo said:
HI there

Gonna need a big car park.

Can we do it this Friday because I should win.

If its after this weekend I won't win in the BMW boat.

/me buys Rotrex kit and strips everything from car

bigchez · 19 Jul 2007 at 12:42

Gibbo said:
Hi there

How do autocar do their testing?

I was always under the impression that these kind of test were timed via passing through method. So start at 20mph and finish at 80mph and record the 30-70mph time.

So what method do the professionals use? If its the passing through method then that will indeed give slightly better result I would have thought than the booting it from 30mph method?

For me with a turbo'd car that has had the boost wound up slightly, passing through would be much better as i would be on full chat in 2nd going through 30, rather than booting it there and waiting for the boost.

I guess an agreed method must be adopted, but from the videos posted most seemed to hold @ 30, then introduce the loud pedal to the carpet.

Further more for me speedo readings are fine. When all is said and done, its only a bit of fun, not for money etc!

Seems a lot of fuss is kicked up by people who's supposed uber mobiles are not infact anywhere near as quick as they might have thought. :rolleyes:

[TW]Fox · 19 Jul 2007 at 12:45

bigchez said:
Seems a lot of fuss is kicked up by people who's supposed uber mobiles are not infact anywhere near as quick as they might have thought.

I don't own an m5 nor a Z4M so my suprise that the Civic's figures are what they are is nothing to do with me being an embarrased Z4M owner or whatever tinfoil hat reason you can think up this week

Pug · 19 Jul 2007 at 12:45

bigchez said:
Seems a lot of fuss is kicked up by people who's supposed uber mobiles are not infact anywhere near as quick as they might have thought.

hehe

[TW]Fox said:
I don't own an m5 nor a Z4M so my suprise that the Civic's figures are what they are is nothing to do with me being an embarrased Z4M owner or whatever tinfoil hat reason you can think up this week

maybe you should let someone take you to impress you? And show you that the japs can build quick little cars that compete (in certain tests) with the germans

Gibbo · 19 Jul 2007 at 12:47

HI there

The Lancer forums have lots of 30-70mph results done with proper timing equipment.

Here are some examples:-

VW Golf GTI DSG 30-70mph = 5.7s
Civic Type R 30-80mph = 8.59s
Ford Focus RS 30-70mph = 5.6s
2006 Civic Type R 30-70mph = 6.0s

Gives you some kind of idea what the hot hatches are capable off, they might not have the power of things like the M5's and big Mercs but they still accelerate quick at lower speeds due to gearing and low weight.

Mitsubishi EVO's on the other hand vary from 1.5s 30-70mph for Norris Designs car upto around 6s for standard cars. A typical EVO with 350-400BHP seem to be around 4s, some quicker.

P.S. I hope Jedifragger is OK, I just took him out in the Mustang to demonstrate the handling, power and brakes. When he got out he seems to not stop jumping and shaking around and was grinning like a cheshire cat.

MrMatteh · 19 Jul 2007 at 12:50

Gibbo said:
Civic Type R 30-80mph = 8.59s

...the hell.. slower than my clio??

yes i know mine wasnt that accurately timed, but the speedo is only 1-2mph out

bigchez · 19 Jul 2007 at 12:59

[TW]Fox said:
I don't own an m5 nor a Z4M so my suprise that the Civic's figures are what they are is nothing to do with me being an embarrased Z4M owner or whatever tinfoil hat reason you can think up this week

Fox, that was in no way intended as a dig at yourself, please don't take it as such.

All I am illustrating is that because a car has x number of hundred horsepower on paper, it does not necessarily mean it will actually be that quick in a specific test of its ability.

A further example of this is the number of tuned fords (rst's, xr2 turbo's, zetec turbos and zvh's) this year that have appeared claiming anything from between 280-400+ bhp. How many made the qualifying times for the 1/4 mile @ TOTB? NONE!! and how many vauxhalls such as nova's, corsa's and astra's claiming similar out puts did? The answer a lot more.

A specific acceleration test is not always about peak power, but power delivery and the area under the torque curve of the specific car, and also of vital importance is the gearing of the vehicle.

Gibbo · 19 Jul 2007 at 13:03

bigchez said:
Fox, that was in no way intended as a dig at yourself, please don't take it as such.

All I am illustrating is that because a car has x number of hundred horsepower on paper, it does not necessarily mean it will actually be that quick in a specific test of its ability.

A further example of this is the number of tuned fords (rst's, xr2 turbo's, zetec turbos and zvh's) this year that have appeared claiming anything from between 280-400+ bhp. How many made the qualifying times for the 1/4 mile @ TOTB? NONE!! and how many vauxhalls such as nova's, corsa's and astra's claiming similar out puts did? The answer a lot more.

A specific acceleration test is not always about peak power, but power delivery and the area under the torque curve of the specific car, and also of vital importance is the gearing of the vehicle.

Hi there

Got to agree here, think this is what helps the Stang so much. Power is instantly on top at any RPM in any gear. Thats the advantage of a supercharger, especially the type I have which is a twin-screw because they give huge dollops of torque from down low and as such results in instant and very aggressive pickup/acceleration. Plus now with the suspension mods it can get grip and the fact there is no traction control trying to sap power, the car just slams it all down to the ground and goes off like a missile.

[TW]Fox · 19 Jul 2007 at 13:04

Pug said:
maybe you should let someone take you to impress you? And show you that the japs can build quick little cars that compete (in certain tests) with the germans

I'm sure they can. Just not 5 second 30-70 cars with less than 200bhp

Simon · 19 Jul 2007 at 13:04

S2000 is a lot lower than I thought. Must have been downhill

Where's the 30-70 time of a Honda Jazz ?