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Lol that cracked me up guy!Lord_Kokain said:
Lord_Kokain said:
yup been posted, still worth seeing again
People banging on about the historical inaccuracies are missing various things, and one of them is that this is supposed to be one Spartan's version of events. Read actual historical accounts of battles and major events and they're more exagerrated than 300. Accounts of real world heroes where the Bruce ends up 8 foot tall killing a hundred men, or where a preacher of peace ends up returning from the grave after being crucified, or more recentlythe Alamo. Historical revisionism in action.
300's quite clever with it- combines the near-myth of the 300 Spartans standing alone with more outlandish mythical elements, like Xerxes being a giant gimp, or the presense of monsters in the Persian army. You know the guy with swords for arms probably isn't real- but do you believe that 300 men held millions for 3 days? I'm waiting for the sequel, 2000, which will be the same battle but will show what the 700 thespians and 1000 slaves also fighting were up to while Leonidas was getting shot to bits. Probably just off shot.
If anyone's in any doubt, go and read some of the accounts of the actual historical battle. Herodotus and Cetesias contradict each others accounts. All the estimates of numbers differ. The story of a single survivor of the Spartan army wouldn't be particularily accurate on day one, and by Plataea (a year later) after all the retelling it'd be an overblown, exagerrated, piece of propaganda, not a historical account. And that's exactly what 300 is- it's probably the film Leonidas would have commissioned
There weren't an awful lot of them left, for one... Also, they'd lost their only advantage of fighting on a limited front. Hence, butchered.
In the real battle, as far as we know, it ended in much the same way- mass arrow fire to slaughter every last defender. The Greeks launched an attack on the Persians to basically maximise the damage they did while they lasted, since they no longer had the strenght to make a solid, longlasting defence- this was done to buy the other retreating Greek army time. They'd have been destroyed in rout by the Persian cavalry otherwise. Then the remainder forted up on a hill. The Persians basically wiped them off the map with massed arrow fire, once they were able to surround the hill and bring overwhelming numbers to bear. Sound at all familiar?
Oh, aye. I enjoyed it, it's big and daft and obviously such. No worse than Zulu... I went and saw Curse of the Yellow Flower straight after, which is also big and daft but has a hopeless plot tacked on to justify the overstylised fighting. I'd sooner it had been half an hour shorter and whippet-lean like 300. But I'm sure a lot of people who hated 300 would love Curse, because it's foreign and arty
300's quite clever with it- combines the near-myth of the 300 Spartans standing alone with more outlandish mythical elements, like Xerxes being a giant gimp, or the presense of monsters in the Persian army. You know the guy with swords for arms probably isn't real- but do you believe that 300 men held millions for 3 days? I'm waiting for the sequel, 2000, which will be the same battle but will show what the 700 thespians and 1000 slaves also fighting were up to while Leonidas was getting shot to bits. Probably just off shot.
If anyone's in any doubt, go and read some of the accounts of the actual historical battle. Herodotus and Cetesias contradict each others accounts. All the estimates of numbers differ. The story of a single survivor of the Spartan army wouldn't be particularily accurate on day one, and by Plataea (a year later) after all the retelling it'd be an overblown, exagerrated, piece of propaganda, not a historical account. And that's exactly what 300 is- it's probably the film Leonidas would have commissioned
ChroniC said:
There weren't an awful lot of them left, for one... Also, they'd lost their only advantage of fighting on a limited front. Hence, butchered.
In the real battle, as far as we know, it ended in much the same way- mass arrow fire to slaughter every last defender. The Greeks launched an attack on the Persians to basically maximise the damage they did while they lasted, since they no longer had the strenght to make a solid, longlasting defence- this was done to buy the other retreating Greek army time. They'd have been destroyed in rout by the Persian cavalry otherwise. Then the remainder forted up on a hill. The Persians basically wiped them off the map with massed arrow fire, once they were able to surround the hill and bring overwhelming numbers to bear. Sound at all familiar?
Oh, aye. I enjoyed it, it's big and daft and obviously such. No worse than Zulu... I went and saw Curse of the Yellow Flower straight after, which is also big and daft but has a hopeless plot tacked on to justify the overstylised fighting. I'd sooner it had been half an hour shorter and whippet-lean like 300. But I'm sure a lot of people who hated 300 would love Curse, because it's foreign and arty
What a **** film.
Yes, the fighting scenes were well done but jesus, there has to be at least some story line.
Was just about killing Persians the entire film. Jumping between fighting scenes.
Who ever said it was a "better Gladiator" was smoking something.
DIRE.
Yes, the fighting scenes were well done but jesus, there has to be at least some story line.
Was just about killing Persians the entire film. Jumping between fighting scenes.
Who ever said it was a "better Gladiator" was smoking something.
DIRE.
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For people saying there was no story line etc doesnt no legend / history.
I for one watched it with my wife, now i was spectical that she would just walk out half way though....
Anyway by the end i said "what did you think"
She said " WOW that was amazing" commenting on how the film was produced etc..
I loved this film, probably one of my favorites, dare i say it better than starwars!!!
not quite 
I for one watched it with my wife, now i was spectical that she would just walk out half way though....
Anyway by the end i said "what did you think"
She said " WOW that was amazing" commenting on how the film was produced etc..
I loved this film, probably one of my favorites, dare i say it better than starwars!!!
not quite Just saw 300 and what a bloody good show that was. Its been a while in which I could sit and watch a movie from start to finish and love every minute of it.
The fighting scenes were breathtaking and it was just thrilling to watch.
So far this has been the movie of the year for me and I can't wait to see it again.
Superb.
The fighting scenes were breathtaking and it was just thrilling to watch.
So far this has been the movie of the year for me and I can't wait to see it again.
Superb.