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The Ti I thought was rumoured to be a cheaper lower RAM version of the 3090 (probably with a MRSP of about a grand). As others have said though, it seems unlikely they'd drop the 3080 otherwise there would be a massive price gap in their offerings. And dropping it would seem even more nonsensical in light of it still reviewing quite favourably versus the 6800XT.
 
sedy25 said:
3090 already wipes the floor with AMD's cards in a lot of rendering applications, as that's what the card is for.... Let me know when AMD has OptiX.

People seem to confuse Ampere with a gaming architecture, it's a workstation architecture primarily, it just happens to be good for gaming too.
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No people are not confusing Ampere with a gaming architecture. its Nvidia themselves that also push these as a gaming card hence whole 8k gaming, 90% of the product page being dedicated to gaming featurers for the 3090 and so on. You are correct on the architecture though and I mentioned similar, Ampere is focused on workstation type uses and gaming was secondary. Works well as a single architecture does both, saves costs for Nvidia and until now has had no competition so it worked well for nvidia.

Damien. said:
https://www.pcmag.com/news/report-nvidia-cancels-rtx-3080-20gb-and-rtx-3070-16gb-graphics-cards

Assuming these would have been the Ti versions? If so, music to my ears considering I’ve just bought the 3080 FE.
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Wrong Rumor. That 20GB model was nixed in october. It seems nvidia believe they cannot compete fully with the 6900XT. So right now with sales slowing for 3090 (easy to get in stock) the 3090 cores will go right into a 3080Ti with slightly less vRAM. https://www.kitguru.net/components/...lva/rtx-3080ti-rumoured-to-launch-in-january/
 
Radox-0 said:
Wrong Rumor. That 20GB model was nixed in october. It seems nvidia believe they cannot compete fully with the 6900XT. So right now with sales slowing for 3090 (easy to get in stock) the 3090 cores will go right into a 3080Ti with slightly less vRAM. https://www.kitguru.net/components/...lva/rtx-3080ti-rumoured-to-launch-in-january/
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Fair enough. A blow for loyal customers such as myself who have just purchased a 3080 or 3090 but I guess they must believe it’s the correct thing to do from a business/sales point of view.

Confuses me a little with the performance difference between the 3080 and the 3090 being so tight.
 
Why would a 3080 owner be annoyed?

A £1000 card which is 7.5% better than a 3080 is still rubbish value compared to a 3080.

3090 was already incredibly poor value compared to a 3080 so I don’t think they’ll be too annoyed either, they’ll still have the best card. If they were worried about value they wouldn’t have bought a 3090....
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
Why would a 3080 owner be annoyed?

A £1000 card which is 7.5% better than a 3080 is still rubbish value compared to a 3080.

3090 was already incredibly poor value compared to a 3080 so I don’t think they’ll be too annoyed either, they’ll still have the best card. If they were worried about value they wouldn’t have bought a 3090....
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Imagine saying something like 24gb vram which is incredibly useful to a lot of content creators and video editors like myself is 'bad value', no, it's bad value for you and your games.

You realise that the 3070 and 3080 both throw errors in a lot of projects due to lack of buffer/are exponentially slower? No, probably not.


Last year's 24gb was £2499, now it's £1399 with twice the rendering performance and 40-50% higher game performance. That's a win. Granted it lacks a few professional optimizations that make it slower in EXTREMELY small use cases.
 
Damien. said:
Fair enough. A blow for loyal customers such as myself who have just purchased a 3080 or 3090 but I guess they must believe it’s the correct thing to do from a business/sales point of view.

Confuses me a little with the performance difference between the 3080 and the 3090 being so tight.
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It was inevitable a model in the middle was going to happen as the gap was too big both model wise and price wise. This has been nvidia's norm. prior to the Turing generation. Get the High end out (3080) get very high end (3090) out with overkill vRAM to milk early adopters. Once the 3090 stops selling massively, which we are seeing to an extent as its readily available, then put those same cores into a higher margin 3080Ti product, shave a little VRAM so basically same performance as 3090 in most instances for cheaper. Work out more effectively then then put core which used to go into a now slower selling 3090 then into a 3080. In this case I think AMD just accelerated there timeline.

As you say, Performance delta is not massive, what 10%-15% at 4k where Ampere shines. Personally would not be unhappy with a 3080, is a fine model. the 3080Ti will still be more expensive then 3080, offer similar performance uplift (less at lower resolutions) etc. Price to performance will very much be with 3080 still for gaming (aside AMD stuff in some cases)
 
sedy25 said:
Imagine saying something like 24gb vram which is incredibly useful to a lot of content creators and video editors like myself is 'bad value', no, it's bad value for you and your games.

You realise that the 3070 and 3080 both throw errors in a lot of projects due to lack of buffer..? No, probably not.
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Jump to conclusions much :rolleyes:, yes I do know that...

A 3080ti isn’t going to be a high vram card so why would you consider the value preposition to a lower tier card that doesn’t work for the use case? If the lower tier card doesn’t work for that workload then it might as well not exist and therefore that person isn’t going to be concerned about a 3080ti at all. For that person a 3090 represents decent value compared to the old Titan or a quadro. That assumes you don’t need Titan or quadro drivers for said workload. If you do the 3090 might as well not exist for the same reason...

The only ones that are ‘worried’ about a 3080ti are those who use their 3090 for gaming. But the 3080ti will be slower and still a poor value compared to a 3080. If a 3090 gamer was worried about value they would t have bought a 3090.
 
If we compare the 6900 XT to the 3080 at 4K, it’s likely to be around 5% faster as 3080 is faster than 6800XT by around 7%. So the question arises, why would you pay £300 more over the 3080 for 6900XT when performance is only 5% better and the RTX performance would be worse than a 3070.
 
Shaz12 said:
If we compare the 6900 XT to the 3080 at 4K, it’s likely to be around 5% faster as 3080 is faster than 6800XT by around 7%. So the question arises, why would you pay £300 more over the 3080 for 6900XT when performance is only 5% better and the RTX performance would be worse than a 3070.
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Some people would not buy nvidia full stop so there will be a market for the card. Its not clear how many they are gonna make is it going to be another radeon 7 in terms of volume?
 
Th0nt said:
You shouldn't be thinking of upgrading at all - you have a 3080... :rolleyes:

The Ti version will be to entice those that did not buy a 3080, or the die-hards that just have to have the better version who will sell on their current card to have them 'zero difference in performance' benefits!
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Thanks for that. Could you let me know what else I'm allowed to spend my own money on. :rolleyes:
 
You don’t need to have an sku at every price point, particularly when those above £650 offer poor value to those they are targeting.

Just look at AMDs 3000 series processor line up. It’s crazy how many a SKUs they have now, it’s also confusing because many of them are really similar but at very different prices. Others are completely different architecture. Only a few of the SKUs actually sell in volume.
 
The 3080 is only worthy at under 700.

I'm glad the one I pre-ordered for 750 I cancelled and bagged an FE. Shame the side lights are not RGB though, we all know if Nvidia added RGB on the side you'd have 10% extra performance on the 3080/3090 anyway.
 
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