30xx Series Founders Edition

[BallistixOnZ490]

I expect the Founder's 3080 to be 2-slot. They are just populating two empty VRAM spots and using a better-binned die.

It should all fit under the 3080's cooler.

You mean the 3080 Ti?

 

[Twinz]

You mean the 3080 Ti?

Yes, the 3080 Ti. I'll fix it, thanks.

 

[chrcoluk]

£950 for 3080ti or £650 for 3080, which is better?

 

[varkanoid]

£950 for 3080ti or £650 for 3080, which is better?

Value for money I cant see the TI being worth £300 over the 3080.

The best one is the one you can actually buy.

 

[Dontrocktheboat]

£950 for 3080ti or £650 for 3080, which is better?

£950????

why do people think that 3080ti will be cheaper than 2080ti is beyond me ?
During the biggest silicon shortage known to man?

it will probably be the same MRSP as 2080Ti which is about £1099

 

[Twinz]

£950????

why do people think that 3080ti will be cheaper than 2080ti is beyond me ?
During the biggest silicon shortage known to man?

it will probably be the same MRSP as 2080Ti which is about £1099

There are 3 moving parts here:
General demand (due to pandemic keeping people inside more)
Miner demand (huge right now)
General pricing by Nvidia and AMD

Everyone thought the performance offered by the 3080 would cost as much or more than the 2080ti before its pricing was announced. -then freaked out when Nvidia got progress back on track where pricing from Pascal to Ampere averaged out to about 30% more performance per generation *at the $700 price point*.

Yes, when demand outpaces supply as drastically is it does now, prices will go crazy. However, history has shown that progress means more performance at a given price point.

It's not unreasonable to expect Ampere money to outperform Turing money. Turing was the historical outlier in that it offered Pascal performance for, well, Pascal money.

 

[shamus21]

Why worry about the price of a new card that will be practically impossible to buy.

 

[gpuerrilla]

Reconvene when they are here. If there are no FE editions you can kiss goodbye to sub £1000 prices.

 

[BS Dave]

Reconvene when they are here. If there are no FE editions you can kiss goodbye to sub £1000 prices.

there have been no 3080 drops in the UK for ages, so I hope something is up. Even if a 3080ti only had a few more cores but the wider bus and 2 more Gbs of ram I think a look of people would want it more than a 3080 (even in a time without mining)

 

[Robi_uk]

The way the prices are now, will a 3080ti push up the price of a 3090 even further or they will sandwich it in between the current 3080 and 3090 prices?
If they did do this, I think we might see the price of the 3080 fall a bit, I mean if you were to spend over 1k on a gpu an extra 2-300 would not be a big stretch for you to go for the ti instead.

 

[shamus21]

The way the prices are now, will a 3080ti push up the price of a 3090 even further or they will sandwich it in between the current 3080 and 3090 prices?
If they did do this, I think we might see the price of the 3080 fall a bit, I mean if you were to spend over 1k on a gpu an extra 2-300 would not be a big stretch for you to go for the ti instead.

Price falls no chance

 

[Radox-0]

The way the prices are now, will a 3080ti push up the price of a 3090 even further or they will sandwich it in between the current 3080 and 3090 prices?
If they did do this, I think we might see the price of the 3080 fall a bit, I mean if you were to spend over 1k on a gpu an extra 2-300 would not be a big stretch for you to go for the ti instead.

The MSRP FE price will be sandwiched in-between current 3080 and 3090 Pricing, £950 - £1100 price be my guess, of course that will be for the handful of those made. However AIB's is all a wild west with 3080 pricing on some AIB cards going from retail stores being at 3090FE pricing anyways let alone the bay.

 

[JediFragger]

guess

Bingo, that's all it is atm! Nvidia are under zero pressure to release a Ti tbf, I'll be surprised if they actually do.

 

[Gavster]

Nvidia haven`t officially confirmed the 3080ti, it`s just snowballed from a supposed leak. It`s been five weeks since the last 3080 drop and I can`t see why they would add another GPU to the line up when they`re struggling to supply the existing cards.
Here`s hoping for a 3080 drop this week and a sizable one at that so the legitimate buyers have half a chance at getting one.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

The incentive to release the 3080ti is if lots of the failed 3090 dies which go into 3080s are actually capable of being a 3080ti.

They can charge more money for the same silicon that way.

 

[chrcoluk]

Yep clear incentive, they will get bad press if they raise 3080 price, so instead can redirect chips to a more expensive sku instead, and claim they never raised 3080 price.

 

[JediFragger]

Think the rumours are that the Ti might be the same chip as the 90, just with 12GB.

If it's true then no need to release it, just make them all 3090's!

 

[andybird123]

Think the rumours are that the Ti might be the same chip as the 90, just with 12GB.

If it's true then no need to release it, just make them all 3090's!

The 3080 is already the same chip as the 3090, the GA102. I would imagine that saving 12GB of RAM chips and therefore effectively doubling production more than makes up for the loss of the $400 extra per card.

 

[Radox-0]

The 3080 is already the same chip as the 3090, the GA102. I would imagine that saving 12GB of RAM chips and therefore effectively doubling production more than makes up for the loss of the $400 extra per card.

Same chip, but usually be defective ones they need to cut /segment parts off that make it into a 3080 that could not as a 3090.

Question is, the 3080Ti is it planned to have the same enabled core as the 3090 in which case makes no sense for a 3080Ti in that way as the 3090 flies off the shelf. Or will the 3080Ti be slightly cut down vs the 3090, but not to the extent the 3080Ti is in which case may see a 3080Ti sooner rather then Nvidia having to put the cores into a 3080.

I doubt putting only 12GB on the 3080Ti and using the same core as the 3090 will enable double production. The memory will a factor is not the sole limitation, I doubt they will easily be able to double production of the cores.

 

[andybird123]

Same chip, but usually be defective ones they need to cut /segment parts off that make it into a 3080 that could not as a 3090.

Question is, the 3080Ti is it planned to have the same enabled core as the 3090 in which case makes no sense for a 3080Ti in that way as the 3090 flies off the shelf. Or will the 3080Ti be slightly cut down vs the 3090, but not to the extent the 3080Ti is in which case may see a 3080Ti sooner rather then Nvidia having to put the cores into a 3080.

I doubt putting only 12GB on the 3080Ti and using the same core as the 3090 will enable double production. The memory will a factor is not the sole limitation, I doubt they will easily be able to double production of the cores.

the rumoured 3080ti isn't a fully unlocked core, its close to a 3090 but not quite, so they could either use them as a 3080 for much less profit, or create a new product that uses "almost" 3090 chips, note I didn't say they would be doubling production of cores, but if memory supply is also creating additional burden on supply chains, you can produce twice as many boards with half the number of ram chips, it does improve throughput, particularly if they've been stockpiling cores that are "too good" to be a 3080 but not quite good enough to be a 3090 - the latest rumour was that it would be 10,240 cores, not the full 10,496

at the end of the day this is nvidia, so if they really thought they could keep pumping out 3090's and selling them for full price, they would, it doesn't make sense to say they are selling full 3090 cards for "cheap", because they are selling every card they make right now, so there has to be a reason to stick a card between the 3080 and the 3090