It won't so much stop the opportunist scalper looking for a one time payout but will make it much harder for the repeat offenders.
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30xx Series Founders Edition
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Sounds like NVidia are adjusting the silicon to nerf mining, so will the newer cards be easier to get and the older ones go up in value?
What do people think about NVidia nerfing the cards but that information not being marked on the box, so you don't know what you are getting..
As much as I understand why they are doing it, I disagree with it, especially if its not being marked on the packaging..
What do people think about NVidia nerfing the cards but that information not being marked on the box, so you don't know what you are getting..
As much as I understand why they are doing it, I disagree with it, especially if its not being marked on the packaging..
Well to be fair they never advertise the cards for mining, its always been the case they are advertised for gaming, even drivers and updates etc, they all revolve around gaming.
By separating them now between gaming and mining they can be seen as trying to help out the gamers, but as with most businesses they will probably have a good business reason behind it.
I think Nvidia is trying to protect future profits. When mining becomes unprofitable and the market gets flooded with 30-seires cards, whatever new stuff Nvidia is trying to sell at that time will have to compete with all those cards. Sure, selling way more cards now is great, but it can bite them in the future if too many are just destined to get dumped on the used market at once.
By nerfing cards now they are trying to steer miners towards cards that gamers won't bother with when they are no longer profitable for mining. Nvidia is trying to avoid becoming their own worst competition.
By nerfing cards now they are trying to steer miners towards cards that gamers won't bother with when they are no longer profitable for mining. Nvidia is trying to avoid becoming their own worst competition.
A queue system is pointless for this kind of product, ask anyone at the end of the Asus TUF queue here.
If they allowed this card to be preordered (which is effectively what a queue is), every gamer and scalper is going to join it regardless of if they already have a 3080/3090 or not. The opportunity to buy a ‘cheap’ card and flip it or what ever they currently have for a profit in the current climate will be too strong.
You only have to look at posters in this thread, many of them already have 30 series cards, even the same card and they are selling them at the market price and keeping the FE.
There are reports that there are 1.5 million people in an open queue in the USA.
A queue would make sense if the product was a single SKU available from a single retailer but it just isn’t.
If they allowed this card to be preordered (which is effectively what a queue is), every gamer and scalper is going to join it regardless of if they already have a 3080/3090 or not. The opportunity to buy a ‘cheap’ card and flip it or what ever they currently have for a profit in the current climate will be too strong.
You only have to look at posters in this thread, many of them already have 30 series cards, even the same card and they are selling them at the market price and keeping the FE.
There are reports that there are 1.5 million people in an open queue in the USA.
A queue would make sense if the product was a single SKU available from a single retailer but it just isn’t.
Well, I was talking about FE cards, which are only sold by one retailer. I was also talking about a queue system since the cards were released, so you wouldn't be able to join the queue if you already have a 3XXX series GPU. Would you join a queue system knowing that it might take months for you to get what you have paid for? How do you know if you're gonna be able to sell it in six months for more than you bought it for? You don't know, and therefore that should put many scalpers off. The current system is worse in that respect, you just try to get one at every opportunity you have, and if you manage to get one, you can sell it straight away, so at the end of the day loads of people get into buying one just to try making some easy money.
There are many ways of doing a queue system. Would you blindly join if they ask you for 600£ months before you get the product? Because I only would if I really want the product. I'm not saying the 3080Ti should be made available to people who already own a FE card, as you say. The current system is better than what we had months ago, but there are still loads of people trying to buy more and more cards and using bots to do so. A queue system where you have to wait months would put all this people off rather than having them trying to buy at every single drop.
The FE is a single SKU but the 30XX is not, there are tens of SKUs from 5 or 6 manufacturers available from tens of retailers.
To put it simply, there is no way to police the queue system. How would the retailer know if you already had a 30XX you bought from elsewhere?
Given the shortages and the prices of non-FE cards (which were not in the initial launch stock), everyone would join the queue and it would be tens of thousands of people long at this point.
There is a reason why no one is taking pre-orders on anything and haven’t been for months.
A queue wouldn’t stop those who are botting/scalping from joining the queue multiple times as they are getting past the same controls now. They’ll also join the queue before you because they are botting.
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Well, legit demand and easily limited by that one card per household limit.
There's no perfect system but it's better than nothing...
If you're very lucky and very patient
Well, we are in the "30XX founders edition" thread, after all, so I think it was obvious I was only talking about FE cards, not about other models. Would everyone join the queue, taking into account the ridiculous prices for any other manufactured model of the same card? Of course, I think that is quite obvious, so if no one else buys these other cards, retailers would be forced to lower prices rather than keep pushing them up.
No one is taking preoders because no one can guarantee what the price from the retailer is gonna be the following month, or if there is even gonna be stock. I don't see why a queue system would have to imply that you'll get the GPU at the price they are being sold today. OCUK could have decided to just ask their customers to pay for that difference rather than paying that difference in price themselves some months ago. Either that, or just cancelling all the orders.
The current system just allows people to "play the lottery" to see if they can buy a GPU at a lower price that the price the GPUs should be selling for, only so Nvidia can say their GPU has a lower price that it really does and therefore get better reviews than the competence. No wonders why everyone is trying to get a FE card every time they drop. And lets not fool ourselves... most of the cards sold last Monday are probably in the FB marketplace or eBay right now.
The UK source of FE cards told me that they are only distributers and have no control over when the drops happen, so I'm sure they have little control in the process overall. Also, why would they want to go through the hassle of managing a monster queue system? Even restricting to FE cards there are 4 models to manage.
Look at this thread and consider if any retail wants to manage that situation. Hence why OcUK and elsewhere decided not to take pre-orders on AMD cards.
This thinking is flawed. Scalpers would try and get as many entries in the queue as possible, and if the price was low for resale when they got the card, they would simply return it and cancel the sale. However, the simple fact there would be a queue with 1000's of people for one product indicates scalpers can make a profit.
Look at this thread and consider if any retail wants to manage that situation. Hence why OcUK and elsewhere decided not to take pre-orders on AMD cards.
This thinking is flawed. Scalpers would try and get as many entries in the queue as possible, and if the price was low for resale when they got the card, they would simply return it and cancel the sale. However, the simple fact there would be a queue with 1000's of people for one product indicates scalpers can make a profit.
People talk like it is a binary thing - it is possible to have more granular multi-order implementations rather than just a blanket indefinite policy which will still stop bots/scalping - meanwhile those determined to scalp will be utilising friends, family and various dodgy methods to work around the restrictions.
Don't forget those buying a 3060ti while waiting for a 3080, then buying a 3070 while waiting for a 3080, then buying a 3090 while waiting for a 3080.
Indeed. Glad I went big and got a 3090FE in December while I could.
I know this is the FE thread, I am an FE owner which is why I post here.
The point I was making is that you just can’t ignore what is happening to other versions of this product. The FE makes up a fraction of the total sales so what is happening in the rest of the market impacts the FE. People wouldn’t be going crazy for the FE if other SKUs were available at their launch prices.
Given demand outstrips supply by a good margin on all SKUs of a particular line at a substantially higher price, what makes you think an FE queue would make them lower prices or lower demand for an FE.
It’s a simple fact that the relatively ‘low’ price of the FE compared to the AIB cards would mean literally everyone would pile in on that card they simply wouldn’t be able to supply the product. Only those who got in first would ever get it.
Just look at the Asus TUF queue here, a couple of positive reviews and some negative attention on other brands because of ‘cap gate’ and everyone wants a piece of the action. They still have hundreds of unfilled preorders from when it launched 6 months ago.
If they opened preorders for the FE, they would still be working through the first hours of sales today and most people who want one wouldn’t be any closer to the front of it.
People are literally buying anything, even gt750s are selling like crazy, no one should be buying that.
Having a queue for a product with so many similar SKUs is not a good solution. Just look at all those who joined the ‘wrong’ queue at launch (Asus TUF again), they are still waiting now while other brands are shipping cards at some retailers. Others will just join every queue they can, particularly if there is a chance they can resell at a higher price. If they can’t resell it they can return it for a full refund under consumer law.
Like I said, there is an open queue in the states which reportedly has 1.5 million people in it. How long do you think those at the back will be waiting?
My 3080FE arrived today Will install when finish work.
Got to admit, a trip into town and an instant £966 profit is tempting... crazy!!! Need to push that out of my memory and enjoy some gaming. Should be a nice jump from 1070, and not have 2 gaming rigs in the house so can duo with my son online
Will install when finish work.Got to admit, a trip into town and an instant £966 profit is tempting... crazy!!! Need to push that out of my memory and enjoy some gaming. Should be a nice jump from 1070, and not have 2 gaming rigs in the house so can duo with my son online
My 3080FE arrived today
Got to admit, a trip into town and an instant £966 profit is tempting... crazy!!! Need to push that out of my memory and enjoy some gaming. Should be a nice jump from 1070, and not have 2 gaming rigs in the house so can duo with my son online
Prepare yourself for the weight of the card, the 3070 was surprisingly heavy and the 3080 is heavier again. Has a premium build that's solid.
Yea its really nice. The box, the card, everything feels really nice and premium. They knocked it out of the park in terms of feel and looks.
Just a shame about the **** thermal pads, and coil whine.
My 3080FE arrived today
Got to admit, a trip into town and an instant £966 profit is tempting... crazy!!! Need to push that out of my memory and enjoy some gaming. Should be a nice jump from 1070, and not have 2 gaming rigs in the house so can duo with my son online
Or mine on it? My 3090FE turned up today and with the current ETH surge its showing as £34 a day (at 110MH).