30xx Series Founders Edition

[_Cereal_]

On the contrary lots of people with ITX builds still have cases that can only fit a dual slot card and they would be happy with a 3080 Ti FE.

Theres no evidence at all that the cooler on it is inadequate to keep it running within safe temperatures.

I'll take 90c on a 3080 Ti FE if it means not needing to spend on a new case.

you will absolutely hit over 90 on the VRAM on RT heavy games, even the 3080 FE Vram can run hot on some games (my old 3080 FE was hitting 100c on quake 2 RTX), you have a good point about the size though.

 

[Dirk Diggler]

you will absolutely hit over 90 on the VRAM on RT heavy games, even the 3080 FE Vram can run hot on some games (my old 3080 FE was hitting 100c on quake 2 RTX), you have a good point about the size though.

Room temperature the other night was 26C and my 3080 was at 108C Vram while playing Days Gone, which isn't even a RTX title.

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

Room temperature the other night was 26C and my 3080 was at 108C Vram while playing Days Gone, which isn't even a RTX title.

That happens on AIB cards too though and is a problem with GDDR6X, not the GPU itself.

Also RTX is going to affect the GPU more not the Vram.

Has anyone tried these cards in a case which has bottom fan intake like the Corsair 280X and seen if temps are any better?

If I did get a new case its that one for the active GPU intake at the bottom or the Kolink one that can fit 5x140mm fans.

 

[_Cereal_]

That happens on AIB cards too though and is a problem with GDDR6X, not the GPU itself.

Also RTX is going to affect the GPU more not the Vram.

Has anyone tried these cards in a case which has bottom fan intake like the Corsair 280X and seen if temps are any better?

If I did get a new case its that one for the active GPU intake at the bottom or the Kolink one that can fit 5x140mm fans.

it absolutely is also a cooling problem on top of the DDR6X being hot hence so many people using thermal mods., quake 2 RTX for some reason will do worse on VRAM temps than GPU core.
Some AIBS like the MSI suprims actually have decent VRAM cooling, i tried both a 3090 FE and 3090 SUPRIM and its day and night difference.

 

[Dirk Diggler]

That happens on AIB cards too though and is a problem with GDDR6X, not the GPU itself.

Also RTX is going to affect the GPU more not the Vram.

Has anyone tried these cards in a case which has bottom fan intake like the Corsair 280X and seen if temps are any better?

If I did get a new case its that one for the active GPU intake at the bottom or the Kolink one that can fit 5x140mm fans.

I used a Phanteks Elite with a bottom intake but didn't notice any difference in Vram temperature. The difference I saw was with lower ambient as I normally place my rig in the garage when it's mining. The 100C+ temperatures are in the silicone not surface temperature so it's not easily dealt with other than thermal pad mods that I'm not going to do due to potential warranty issues.

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

Thanks, better to save money with any Macro case that can take my current 5x140mm fans if I end up deciding to buy a triple slot card.

The Corsair 280X is a rip off just for fan intakes at the bottom.

I screwed up by buying the Phanteks Mini ITX before RTX 3000s launched.

 

[anderton46]

You are only thinking of it performance wise..... 3090 FE cooler is significantly better than the 3080Ti cooler for example and i can see the extra heat really really bothering some people.

I've not heard of as many people needing to replace thermal pads on 3080ti's as 3090's? although I think more people own the 3090.

 

[gpuerrilla]

I used a Phanteks Elite with a bottom intake but didn't notice any difference in Vram temperature. The difference I saw was with lower ambient as I normally place my rig in the garage when it's mining. The 100C+ temperatures are in the silicone not surface temperature so it's not easily dealt with other than thermal pad mods that I'm not going to do due to potential warranty issues.

Excellent summary. I tested myself with using external heatsink and fan and concluded it was not a solution as others seemed to post about. I did the pad mod and it was instant results -20c of mem temps. Better case ambient is much better for summer months too. I understand people seemed to be happy with custom sinks on their backplate but for me I came to the same conclusion as @Dirk Diggler and found the repaste, mem pad mod was the only sure fire way to reduce overall temps across the board.

 

[Stu]

Not correct, The 3080Ti will not be LHR because LHR implies there was a model without LHR.The 3080Ti and 3070Ti came with the hash rate already cut therefore they do not need to differentiate between it and SKUs which came earlier without a LHR limit. The other models, so 3080, 3070 and 3060Ti have chips produced prior to the introduction of LHR, so there your will see differentiation. So no they are not wrong, Nvidia or AIBs for that matter do not need to spit out the 3080Ti is LHR as that is what it has always been in publicly.

The article does make a leap in logic on some parts, but does not negate the part where assuming they are not outright lying about Nvidia telling them: "Founders Edition is a limited production graphics card sold at MSRP," Nvidia told us this afternoon, "and at this point we don’t have plans to make versions with LHR." Now PC world may have misinterpreted limited production to mean EOL which is a leap, but I can believe the FE models which do not have LHR from the onset applied (so 3090, 3080, 3070 and 3060Ti) may see the same rates. The 3080Ti and 3070Ti in FE models will see there hash rate cut. I suppose we will see when people on more recently purchased 3080's, 3070s and 3060Tis.

You really are picking and choosing what you take as fact, rather than just reading the words in front of you.

"Not correct, The 3080Ti will not be LHR"... you are straight up wrong here. The 3080Ti FE is a Low Hash Rate card - fact. I don't care what words and pictures are on the box, this card has the hash rate limiter, and is therefore an LHR card.

It's now a short jump to see any claim that no FE cards are LHR is a load of cr@p.

 

[Trig]

It's now a short jump to see any claim that no FE cards are LHR is a load of cr@p.

I've read on the Nvidia blog that all cards after May would be LHR, but then another post from the same place saying that no FE cards would be LHR, I know my 3060Ti from back at launch time certainly isn't LHR, but as I've personally not had hands-on any other card I can't say either way which statement is true..

 

[Radox-0]

You really are picking and choosing what you take as fact, rather than just reading the words in front of you.

"Not correct, The 3080Ti will not be LHR"... you are straight up wrong here. The 3080Ti FE is a Low Hash Rate card - fact. I don't care what words and pictures are on the box, this card has the hash rate limiter, and is therefore an LHR card.

It's now a short jump to see any claim that no FE cards are LHR is a load of cr@p.

I am not wrong, you evidently do not seem to understand what is being done.

• LHR designation is being used for SKUs which existed in a Non-LHR version.
• The 3080Ti (and 3070Ti) comes with a Low hash rate out the box. They therefore do not need to specify its LHR as it never existed in a form with full hash rate enabled, not sure what is hard to understand. Yes it has a Low hash rate that is fact. But unlike other models its not needing any differentiation with a LHR tag.
• The article says, Nvidia themselves saying there FE cards will be not have LHR versions (ASIDE FROM THE 3080Ti and 3070Ti which come limited as default). Now see how that pans out of course, thus far not seen any differentiation, but its early days.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

Your just arguing over the name designation of a product on a box which really doesn’t matter.

What matters is how the product performs. E.g. is it mining nerfed or not…

 

[Radox-0]

Your just arguing over the name designation of a product on a box which really doesn’t matter.

What matters is how the product performs. E.g. is it mining nerfed or not…

Indeed gone down a bit down the rabbit hole here

I suppose my initial point was on the FE models (outside already gimped 3080Ti and 3070Ti) may not get LHR applied depending on various contradictory sources. Suppose we will see in a few months once mostly LHR chips are out there how new FE cards do in mining.

 

[Stu]

I am not wrong, you evidently do not seem to understand what is being done.

• LHR designation is being used for SKUs which existed in a Non-LHR version.
• The 3080Ti (and 3070Ti) comes with a Low hash rate out the box. They therefore do not need to specify its LHR as it never existed in a form with full hash rate enabled, not sure what is hard to understand. Yes it has a Low hash rate that is fact. But unlike other models its not needing any differentiation with a LHR tag.
• The article says, Nvidia themselves saying there FE cards will be not have LHR versions (ASIDE FROM THE 3080Ti and 3070Ti which come limited as default). Now see how that pans out of course, thus far not seen any differentiation, but its early days.

The term LHR describes if a hash rate limiter is implemented in the card BIOS... it's not a SKU thing.

"The article says, Nvidia themselves saying there FE cards will be not have LHR versions (ASIDE FROM THE 3080Ti and 3070Ti which come limited as default)."

You've added the text in brackets... the article simply says no FE cards will be hash rate limited, which we know is an incorrect statement. You are reading the article and pasting over the inconsistencies yourself rather than seeing the article is wrong.

If you tell someone the 3080Ti is not LHR (as you claim), and they buy the card for mining, that person will not be happy!!!

That whole article is non-substantiated... it's opinion at best, click bait at worst.

 

[Dave2150]

You are only thinking of it performance wise..... 3090 FE cooler is significantly better than the 3080Ti cooler for example and i can see the extra heat really really bothering some people.

3090 FE cooler is far quieter than 3080 or 3080ti cooler.

 

[_Cereal_]

3090 FE cooler is far quieter than 3080 or 3080ti cooler.

I ended up changing the thermal pads on my 3090, as I was getting temperatures > 100C at 4k in even non RTX games, wasn't happy with that kind of heat.

Initially, I wasn't going going to, though after confirming UK based individuals have successfully RMA'd card that had been modded in this way with no issues, I decided to take the plunge. Very glad I did, as now the card is literally silent, and VRAM temps have not exceeded 88C in any game I've played.

Of course when it comes time to upgrade to the 4080/4090, I'l disclose on the MM that the pads have been changed, though I'll likely sell elsewhere, as usually far higher prices can be obtained on popular auction sites (sold my Radeon VII and 3080 for close to double what I'd get on the MM).

yeah as it should considering its like twice the size, i personally think that Nvidia really cheapened out on the 3080TI cooler and the very high temperatures ive seen from some youtubers really show it.
i personally dont think the 3080Ti makes much sense on the market with the 3080FE and 3090 FE available (assuming there is stock obviously), if someone is willing to pay 1050 you would be much better of just paying the difference and get a 3090 with twice the VRAM and better cooler.

 

[Radox-0]

The term LHR describes if a hash rate limiter is implemented in the card BIOS... it's not a SKU thing.

"The article says, Nvidia themselves saying there FE cards will be not have LHR versions (ASIDE FROM THE 3080Ti and 3070Ti which come limited as default)."

You've added the text in brackets... the article simply says no FE cards will be hash rate limited, which we know is an incorrect statement. You are reading the article and pasting over the inconsistencies yourself rather than seeing the article is wrong.

If you tell someone the 3080Ti is not LHR (as you claim), and they buy the card for mining, that person will not be happy!!!

That whole article is non-substantiated... it's opinion at best, click bait at worst.

No where did I claim the 3080Ti does not have a low hash rate. What I said is Nvidia will not need to go out of there way designating it as a LHR card as there has never been a SKU which comes with full hash rate as the 3080Ti and 3070Ti are limited as default (infact you copied that very quote).

That's on the person buying the card that they are not happy with the mining performance. Nvidia do not guarentee specific mining performance anywhere.

anyways, cba, we shall see in a few months if the FE cards (aside the 3080Ti and 3070Ti) are gimped or not and can see what is wrong / right.

 

[Dave2150]

yeah as it should considering its like twice the size, i personally think that Nvidia really cheapened out on the 3080TI cooler and the very high temperatures ive seen from some youtubers really show it.
i personally dont think the 3080Ti makes much sense on the market with the 3080FE and 3090 FE available (assuming there is stock obviously), if someone is willing to pay 1050 you would be much better of just paying the difference and get a 3090 with twice the VRAM and better cooler.

I agree. Very dissapointed with the 3080ti - just no point when the price difference between it and the 3090 isn't that great. Small 3080FE cooler was the final nail on the coffin.

3090 with it's 24VRAM will ensure it has value for productivivity beyond it's gaming days as well, offering a likely far higher resale value.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

offering a likely far higher resale value.

I doubt this last part will come true in time. Just look at how older flagship cards crash in price when the next gen high end cards come out at half the price and more performance. Just look at what happened to 2080tis when the 3080 was launched. They dropped to below £500 and would have stayed there if the market chaos that followed didn’t happen.

The typical used value of cards is based on their performance relative to what new products on the market.

As soon as the 4070/4080 drops the used value of a 3090 will tank to around £500-£600*.

*Assuming a normal GPU market, e.g. the new cards launch at similar price points and gain a relatively normal 20% uplift in performance and the current GPU apocalypse has passed.

 

[xPETEZx]

3090 FE cooler is far quieter than 3080 or 3080ti cooler.

I ended up changing the thermal pads on my 3090, as I was getting temperatures > 100C at 4k in even non RTX games, wasn't happy with that kind of heat.

Initially, I wasn't going going to, though after confirming UK based individuals have successfully RMA'd card that had been modded in this way with no issues, I decided to take the plunge. Very glad I did, as now the card is literally silent, and VRAM temps have not exceeded 88C in any game I've played.

Of course when it comes time to upgrade to the 4080/4090, I'l disclose on the MM that the pads have been changed, though I'll likely sell elsewhere, as usually far higher prices can be obtained on popular auction sites (sold my Radeon VII and 3080 for close to double what I'd get on the MM).

Glad to see you changed your tune.

Which pads you go with in the end? Do both sides? I only did the rears so far, and dropped to a max temp of 94. Still achieved the goal of stopping the jet-engines. Fans top out at 1150rpm now. Just the dam coil-whine left on noise now....