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Ayahuasca said:
Tinfoil hat on. I get the feeling nVidia has released DLSS 3 a little earlier than it should have. They've used it to show the insane uplift in FPS for the new 4 series but obviously didn't highlight any of the issues it currently faces.

Meanwhile, the sites/youtubers who've done in-depth analysis on it have pulled it apart a little, highlighting the flaws. This should have a knock-on effect of helping to sell 3 series cards.

I can then see DLSS 3 getting a major update shortly after that stock has cleared and all of the focus is on the 4 series. There's no chance nVidia leaves it in its current state as it's going to be crap on the lower end 4 series.
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Tinfoil hat indeed :D :p

Will definitely be updates to try and iron out the issues though, suspect in several months/year time, we'll have FG/DLSS 3 being praised as the next best thing as happened with DLSS 1 to DLSS 2, especially since intel will be getting their version out very soon apparently.
 
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Purgatory said:
3080ti fe is still in stock all the rest are sold out, I only noticed it because on a Reddit MSFS channel they decided to buy 3090ti fes for msfs instead of the 4090 after seeing the mess it made with dlss 3 and on native made no difference in performance. 3080ti fe will be gone soon too at this rate by the weekend.
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Do you have the Reddit channel? I’m toying between 4090 and 3090ti and play MsFS
 
Mikeey said:
Do you have the Reddit channel? I’m toying between 4090 and 3090ti and play MsFS
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Its just the msfs reddit channel and other sim channels there.

Reddit - Dive into anything

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Check this on the msfs forums too.


forums.flightsimulator.com

My 3090 vs 4090 Results

So I decided to take some time to compare my 3090 vs the 4090. I run an i9 12900k, 32gb ddr, as the base system on a 2tb nvme. I ran the tests on my 3 55" TVs setup for my home sim with RSG G1000’s, as well as in single monitor and VR modes (Reverb G2). The 2 main tests a ran were with the...
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This person that posted the results is a trusted MSFS member/beta tester for msfs and he used DX12 which you will know is basically a beta in msfs and very broken but shows higher performance results, really you want to use DX 11 in MSFS to make sure nothing else breaks like addons.


GenTVDinnerVR Beta Participant
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So I decided to take some time to compare my 3090 vs the 4090. I run an i9 12900k, 32gb ddr, as the base system on a 2tb nvme. I ran the tests on my 3 55" TVs setup for my home sim with RSG G1000’s, as well as in single monitor and VR modes (Reverb G2).


The 2 main tests a ran were with the C172 on the Ground at KFRG parking spot 123, and again on the ground at KLGA runway 4 with the SWS Kodiak, both with the few clouds preset. Any questions about the tests let me know.


The numbers are the average frame rate I saw via the developer console.


Interestingly, the biggest improvement seemed to be in VR. Going from low 30s to almost 60.


My sim settings Im running most things ultra, with High on clouds, 110 on OLOD, and 200 on TLOD. No DLSS - TAA only
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I’ve never changed any settings in Nvidia control panel. DX11 performance was probably 15% less across the board so I didn’t even continue with any tested and stuck with just DX12.
I agree - the 3090Ti is more than fine for this sim. VR seems to be the only thing taking advantage of the 4090 so far. The shocking thing to me is I see less performance in 2k on the triple screens, where I figured I’d see a boost due to driving all the extra pixels. Maybe as the drivers mature things will improve.
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For single screen users it's basically a zero increase at 4k and a minor increase at 2K, VR headsets seem to show the best increase.

BUT DLSS 3.0 doesn't work with VR users are saying and say the following :-



s0cks182
Word is DLSS3 doesn’t work with VR though. And recent videos show quite some significant artefacts on objects in motion and UI elements, which makes sense because it’s trying to guess what the middle frame would look like and any significant change between first and 2nd frame it will struggle. How noticeable these artefacts are seems to depend on the overall framerate too. If you’re running @ 30fps and turn on DLSS3 to get 60fps the artefacts are apparently a lot more noticeable than if you were running @ 60fps and turning on DLSS3 to get 120fps.


Time will tell I guess whether the frame generation can be improved, or if there are other optimisations to help improve it (like somehow excluding UI elements). As it is now though, I wouldn’t be surprised to see artefacts occurring on glass cockpits, especially in demanding scenarios. I’m sure we’ll know more in a few days.
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tempestornado23
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Frame Generation only works in 2D, not VR. It is similar to motion reprojection in VR that many headsets have but I believe Frame Generation uses more of the GPU to render the extra frame with less cpu hit than the VR motion reprojection has a fairly noticeable hit to the CPU when it’s activated.
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I'm at my work college's later today to build his 7950x and 4090 system and have got him a nice little present to test his pc with msfs premium deluxe edition so he has the manual as he's a newbie to it and comes with dvds which he has a drive for too :).

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@Nexus18 :p

I will test it at DX11 and DX12 (beta) and will try DLSS 3 too with the beta update for it too. His screen is a 4k screen too so will see what the real uplift will be as I'm taking my GameRock 3090 OC from the htpc to test on it too there as I don't want to rip the SLI/NVLINK machine up to pull a card out for testing as that pc is a royal pain to work on and my main work machine so not willing to risk it. Anyways will see the real uplifts later today and if all the hype was worth it for MSFS users.
 
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@Purgatory look forward to the bashing :cry: Tag me in your post as I'm not keeping up with this thread.

Also, please tell me you will be pairing it with a high refresh display :D

In terms of latency, make sure you to test a few variations to see what the deal is i.e. vsync turned off entirely (including NVCP) and forced on in NVCP especially if you are hitting the screen refresh rate.

Having read some owners thoughts on reddit etc. seems like most people rate FG/dlss 3 highly but only when above 100 fps. All in all, it seems like a very good first release and nothing like the disaster which was dlss 1.
 
Gerard said:
And all the 30 series cards that were in stock yesterday are back in stock again:

3080ti
3090ti
3060ti
3070ti

So im guessing it was likely a glitch on the site earlier considering it went offline for a bit as well.
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They will have saved some stock up for all those going to their site to buy a 4090 and see these are in stock to tempt them to buy these.
 
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