3800X or 9900K

[ninezerofive]

I like to think of it as an i9 which comes factory-hardened against side channel attacks.

Yea and runs cooler, and overclocks better. Intel campaign was all wrong, 9700k is the best gaming chip. Pure V8, no faults. 9900k is for those who think that running blender benchmark once makes them heavy multitaskers

 

[Orange Nexus]

Against Spectre? Meltdown? Rowhammer? Zombieload?... Pretty sure the last one is unmitigated unless you turn your i7 into an i5.

Turning HT off will expose the cpu to Fallout.

 

[Orange Nexus]

Delete.

 

[banbom44]

Yeah its ok for when it launched, ok a bit too expensive and didnt push the boat out much but it was and currently is the fastest gamer chip.
But this is about whats coming, and i dont think an overclocked 8 core nuclear reactor temp skylake based 14nm buggy bit 500 odd quid bit of silicon from the worlds greatest chip maker is really a good competitor to AMDs latest.

Your talking rubbish my temps are fine.

 

[Poneros]

As I was saying

• MSI MPG X570 Gaming Plus (219 Euro)
• MSI MPG X570 Gaming Edge WiFi (239 Euro)
• MSI MPG X570 Gaming Pro Carbon WiFi (299 Euro)
• MSI MEG X570 Ace (429 Euro)
• MSI Prestige X570 Creation (539 Euro)
• MSI MEG X570 Godlike (777 Euro)

 

[ninezerofive]

Gigabyte Extreme will be around 600 and Asrock Aqua will be 999, and only 999 made.

 

[PieEater]

Thanks everyone for the your contributions (apart from the PS5 comments ) after having taken all the advice on board and doing my own research I'll be going the AMD route. I'm not convinced that the 3800 will be able to match the 9900 in outright gaming performance but I don't think the difference will be significant and it's not a dead end platform with a bunch of security issues. I think I'll invest in a x570 taichi and get the best 3000 series chip I can afford with a view to potentially upgrading later down the line.

 

[MartinPrince]

Thanks everyone for the your contributions (apart from the PS5 comments ) after having taken all the advice on board and doing my own research I'll be going the AMD route. I'm not convinced that the 3800 will be able to match the 9900 in outright gaming performance but I don't think the difference will be significant and it's not a dead end platform with a bunch of security issues. I think I'll invest in a x570 taichi and get the best 3000 series chip I can afford with a view to potentially upgrading later down the line.

The impartial wise choice as far as I can discern.

 

[Stephanie Peterson]

It is the wisest choice as far as i can see it.
While i think ultimately the two cpus will come out very close the pro's and con's for each ... after taking into account performance which is likely similar.. well it does point to AMD.

 

[Grim5]

As I was saying

• MSI MPG X570 Gaming Plus (219 Euro)
• MSI MPG X570 Gaming Edge WiFi (239 Euro)
• MSI MPG X570 Gaming Pro Carbon WiFi (299 Euro)
• MSI MEG X570 Ace (429 Euro)
• MSI Prestige X570 Creation (539 Euro)
• MSI MEG X570 Godlike (777 Euro)

x570 boards are expensive!

the x570 godlike is 200 Euro more than the z390 equivalent

 

[spoffle]

What the hell do you lot see in the 9900?
I see a pushed past the max chip with huge heat and power problems on an old platform with no future and the best of all so badly compromised with security it doubles as swiss cheese.

Exceptionally naive to be buying into such a bad product when you will have options elsewhere especially for the stupid money intel wants.

Because it has an Intel logo on it.

 

[Captain]

x570 boards are expensive!

the x570 godlike is 200 Euro more than the z390 equivalent

Yeah, around £685 due to conversion, though us in the UK will probably suffer from price gouging so expect £700+ for early adoption.

 

[IT Troll]

Turning HT off will expose the cpu to Fallout.

No it doesn't. It will reduce exposure but won't fully protect, microcode is also required for full mitigation.

 

[Orange Nexus]

No it doesn't. It will reduce exposure but won't fully protect, microcode is also required for full mitigation.

HT off will fully protect against Zombieload but will expose to Fallout is what i read.

 

[IT Troll]

HT off will fully protect against Zombieload but will expose to Fallout is what i read.

Best re-check your source. The researchers say HT off reduces the impact and actually recommend it.

How do I mitigate these vulnerabilities?

Intel has provided CPU microcode updates, and recommendations for mitigation strategies for operating system (and hypervisor) software. See Intel's Security Advisory for more details. We recommend you install the software updates provided by your operating system and/or hypervisor vendor.

In addition, we recommend disabling Simultaneous Multi-Threading (SMT), also known as Intel® Hyper-Threading Technology, which significantly reduces the impact of MDS-based attacks without the cost of more complex mitigations. Note that you might still be vulnerable despite disabling SMT, as MDS does not strictly rely on the presence of SMT.

https://mdsattacks.com/

 

[Orange Nexus]

Best re-check your source. The researchers say HT off reduces the impact and actually recommend it.



https://mdsattacks.com/

MDS is Zombieload. Fallout is not MDS.

 

[IT Troll]

MDS is Zombieload. Fallout is not MDS.

The researchers seem to think it is. The first paragraph of the same website:

The RIDL and Fallout speculative execution attacks allow attackers to leak private data across arbitrary security boundaries on a victim system, for instance compromising data held in the cloud or leaking your data to malicious websites. Our attacks leak data by exploiting the 4 newly disclosed Microarchitectural Data Sampling (or MDS) side-channel vulnerabilities in Intel CPUs.

 

[MegaPinches]

Zombieload???

What an annoying buzzword

 

[StriderX]

Paying 700£ for a mobo. Wtf?

 

[Grim5]

Paying 700£ for a mobo. Wtf?

x570 is expensive

Either way, if you are getting a new board and CPU, then Ryzen 3000 is going to cost you more than any of the previous ryzen generations