or go lightweight gr86 https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202408273324324 better investment over 12-18months
40-45k, what would you buy?
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You’ll learn that by driving them - explaining them won’t give you the experience to know if the differences are worth it to you
I will take a look but it might be a bit extreme for me hah.
I worry about costs with Lamborghini but maybe that's just my lack of knowledge. I do like the facelift f-type but SVR wouldn't be in my budget on the new one.Lamborghini Gallardo
Or, F-type SVR.
I do like the Taycan. There are a few in my price range, will have to do some research on the spec levels. I hadn't really considered electric!
Interesting, thanks for the suggestion.
Yeah I like the RS3, On my list to test drive.
Oh definitely, I plan to do a few in the next several weeks.You’ll learn that by driving them - explaining them won’t give you the experience to know if the differences are worth it to you
At this budget there are so many great cars you could buy:
Porsche Cayman R (987 Generation) - Close to zero depreciation, the best model for feedback and lightweight (hydraulic steering) and super rare.
Porsche Boxster/Cayman S/GTS (981 Generation) - Best sounding model.
Porsche Boxster/Cayman (718 Model) - Latest model, best handling.
Porsche 911, stick with 997.2 or 991.1 generations for NA flat 6, I favour 997 over 991 as it has more feel and smaller size so more ideal on UK roads, the 991 is far more modern on inside though all can be retrofitted with CarPlay by Porsche for around £2000, a well bought 997.2 in the current climate should appreciate over time, make sure it is gen2 and either PDK or manual, cracking cars and I am seriously considering revisiting the 997 generation again as my 997.1 Carrera S yellow was one of the very best cars I have ever owned, so very tempted to either drop into a 997.2 C2S or C4S in future or go whole hog and get a GT3.
I'd go Cayman R personally, on a British B road its the more fun car to drive, smaller with better steering and will hold its value, likely to appreciate in fact. All models available in PDK or manual.
Alpine A110 or A110S - Just go drive both models, then buy one, they are bloody awesome cars, buy one still in warranty and then extend it for three years which cost £1500 so warranty until 2028, mega cheap cars to run and extremely capable cars, practically as quick as a GT4 / Exige on track but generally a nicer road car.
Audi R8 V8 - Again 40-45k would drop you in a very low mileage spotless condition gen1 R8, go manual or S-Tronic, avoid R-Tronic, the sports / supercar that is great all year round with quattro, hydraulic steering so has more feel than a modern car even though it is AWD, they sound absolutely awesome, they feel mega quick but are not that quick so pretty license safe, the V10 is not license safe, far too easy to go silly quick, manual box is amazing and adds interactivity, superb quality build and a good one should be reliable, always recommended to get an inspection as they can throw big bills and both the V8 and V10 drink fuel, 10-15mpg having fun, upto 25mpg on a run, so quite costly to run and loads on the roads but that is because they are superb cars.
All the above are true sports cars which you can daily drive, if you wants a sports coupe which generally offer more passenger space and large rear boots, then look at your hot hatches and sports couples from likes of Audi, BMW, Mercedes etc but for me this class of car though can be superb, no matter which way you look at it are not a true sports car and no matter how good they are simply do not offer sports cars handling dynamics, you cannot be a classic RWD mid/rear engine sports car.
However BMW have some truly fantastic offerings such as M2, M3 and M4 just be aware they can bite unless you go for an X-Drive model.
Hot hatch wise plenty of choice there and a FWD hot hatch can be a seriously fun car to drive.
Porsche Cayman R (987 Generation) - Close to zero depreciation, the best model for feedback and lightweight (hydraulic steering) and super rare.
Porsche Boxster/Cayman S/GTS (981 Generation) - Best sounding model.
Porsche Boxster/Cayman (718 Model) - Latest model, best handling.
Porsche 911, stick with 997.2 or 991.1 generations for NA flat 6, I favour 997 over 991 as it has more feel and smaller size so more ideal on UK roads, the 991 is far more modern on inside though all can be retrofitted with CarPlay by Porsche for around £2000, a well bought 997.2 in the current climate should appreciate over time, make sure it is gen2 and either PDK or manual, cracking cars and I am seriously considering revisiting the 997 generation again as my 997.1 Carrera S yellow was one of the very best cars I have ever owned, so very tempted to either drop into a 997.2 C2S or C4S in future or go whole hog and get a GT3.
I'd go Cayman R personally, on a British B road its the more fun car to drive, smaller with better steering and will hold its value, likely to appreciate in fact. All models available in PDK or manual.
Alpine A110 or A110S - Just go drive both models, then buy one, they are bloody awesome cars, buy one still in warranty and then extend it for three years which cost £1500 so warranty until 2028, mega cheap cars to run and extremely capable cars, practically as quick as a GT4 / Exige on track but generally a nicer road car.
Audi R8 V8 - Again 40-45k would drop you in a very low mileage spotless condition gen1 R8, go manual or S-Tronic, avoid R-Tronic, the sports / supercar that is great all year round with quattro, hydraulic steering so has more feel than a modern car even though it is AWD, they sound absolutely awesome, they feel mega quick but are not that quick so pretty license safe, the V10 is not license safe, far too easy to go silly quick, manual box is amazing and adds interactivity, superb quality build and a good one should be reliable, always recommended to get an inspection as they can throw big bills and both the V8 and V10 drink fuel, 10-15mpg having fun, upto 25mpg on a run, so quite costly to run and loads on the roads but that is because they are superb cars.
All the above are true sports cars which you can daily drive, if you wants a sports coupe which generally offer more passenger space and large rear boots, then look at your hot hatches and sports couples from likes of Audi, BMW, Mercedes etc but for me this class of car though can be superb, no matter which way you look at it are not a true sports car and no matter how good they are simply do not offer sports cars handling dynamics, you cannot be a classic RWD mid/rear engine sports car.
However BMW have some truly fantastic offerings such as M2, M3 and M4 just be aware they can bite unless you go for an X-Drive model.
Hot hatch wise plenty of choice there and a FWD hot hatch can be a seriously fun car to drive.
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Would you consider a 200bhp Audi A5 alongside any of those cars? I bet the answer is no, which is why I think he'd be just as happy if not more so with something newer and less high performance.
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To be fair, if you’ve never driven either car, you may not fully comprehend the difference as an overall package.
He might be happy in one, but might be happier in something more performance focused. Without testing them he simply won’t know.
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The crowd is petrolheads mainly, OP isn't a petrolhead so that's where the disconnect lies.Jesus it's a tough crowd in here! I would go and test drive a few, you’ll soon workout what you like, what you don’t and what you want.
When you have a better idea of what you want then you’ll get some more direct advice. For that money I’d go for something like this model
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As you say OP needs to go and drive a few, pick the model they want and then come back for advice as to best model/year/price etc for the chosen car.
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99% of people who drive cars would compare them because an A5 is flashy, the 1% of us who are peteolheads wouldn't of course.
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I don't buy it, sorry.
Why would you look an A5 40 TFSI and an M4 instead of looking at an RS5 and an M4 or an A5 40 TFSI and a 420i?
There is massive difference between the two types of car to the point that it just wouldn't really be a consideration.
You either want 500bhp or you don't. If you don't you'll get a much newer, lower mileage and easier to run car for your money. It's very easy to get cars that look just as flash but don't have the costs or the performance.
I think something like either that A5 as a 40 or a 45 TFSI or a 420i/430i would be the ideal choice.
If you want to run an old Porsche you already know you do and you don't need advice to decide between one and a 4 cylinder Audi.
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OP was just picking cars that look nice, which is what most people do. You're assuming they spent ages looking into specs etc. It might not be a consideration to you but we can prove that it is to others (such as OP).
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There isnt a Facelift F Type SVR so that fixes the concern.
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utter rubbish, the Taycan is epic.
Come on Gibbo you can do better than that, you had an F Type SVR before so lets get some views on the thoughts, you dont need to run through just the cars you currently have.At this budget there are so many great cars you could buy:
Porsche Cayman R (987 Generation) - Close to zero depreciation, the best model for feedback and lightweight (hydraulic steering) and super rare.
Porsche Boxster/Cayman S/GTS (981 Generation) - Best sounding model.
Porsche Boxster/Cayman (718 Model) - Latest model, best handling.
Porsche 911, stick with 997.2 or 991.1 generations for NA flat 6, I favour 997 over 991 as it has more feel and smaller size so more ideal on UK roads, the 991 is far more modern on inside though all can be retrofitted with CarPlay by Porsche for around £2000, a well bought 997.2 in the current climate should appreciate over time, make sure it is gen2 and either PDK or manual, cracking cars and I am seriously considering revisiting the 997 generation again as my 997.1 Carrera S yellow was one of the very best cars I have ever owned, so very tempted to either drop into a 997.2 C2S or C4S in future or go whole hog and get a GT3.
I'd go Cayman R personally, on a British B road its the more fun car to drive, smaller with better steering and will hold its value, likely to appreciate in fact. All models available in PDK or manual.
Alpine A110 or A110S - Just go drive both models, then buy one, they are bloody awesome cars, buy one still in warranty and then extend it for three years which cost £1500 so warranty until 2028, mega cheap cars to run and extremely capable cars, practically as quick as a GT4 / Exige on track but generally a nicer road car.
Audi R8 V8 - Again 40-45k would drop you in a very low mileage spotless condition gen1 R8, go manual or S-Tronic, avoid R-Tronic, the sports / supercar that is great all year round with quattro, hydraulic steering so has more feel than a modern car even though it is AWD, they sound absolutely awesome, they feel mega quick but are not that quick so pretty license safe, the V10 is not license safe, far too easy to go silly quick, manual box is amazing and adds interactivity, superb quality build and a good one should be reliable, always recommended to get an inspection as they can throw big bills and both the V8 and V10 drink fuel, 10-15mpg having fun, upto 25mpg on a run, so quite costly to run and loads on the roads but that is because they are superb cars.
All the above are true sports cars which you can daily drive, if you wants a sports coupe which generally offer more passenger space and large rear boots, then look at your hot hatches and sports couples from likes of Audi, BMW, Mercedes etc but for me this class of car though can be superb, no matter which way you look at it are not a true sports car and no matter how good they are simply do not offer sports cars handling dynamics, you cannot be a classic RWD mid/rear engine sports car.
However BMW have some truly fantastic offerings such as M2, M3 and M4 just be aware they can bite unless you go for an X-Drive model.
Hot hatch wise plenty of choice there and a FWD hot hatch can be a seriously fun car to drive.
Just dont get a V8 R8 when the V10 exists, no one would ever do that
Good list of cars anyway, I have to laugh at Jpaul recommending a GR86 as an 'investment' - Its nothing like some of the metal described above.
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No, I didn't assume that at all. It is actually my entire point - which is why the A5 or a 430i is the ideal choice. There is no point buying something that will be older and more expensive to run because of its specifications when all you want is a nice looking premium car.
You could buy a brand new 4 Series M Sport for the price of a used M4 and to 99% of people they look the same.
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Different price scale but I know someone who was picking between a Civic Type R, a Subaru Legacy and an M135i, for example.
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I guess that's why OP started the thread? For guidance?
Which is what we're giving...
Have you actually read any of what I've posted in the last 10 minutes?
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Gareth Southgate getting all defensive.... surprise surprise 
utter rubbish, the Taycan is epic.
Come on Gibbo you can do better than that, you had an F Type SVR before so lets get some views on the thoughts, you dont need to run through just the cars you currently have.
Just dont get a V8 R8 when the V10 exists, no one would ever do that
Good list of cars anyway, I have to laugh at Jpaul recommending a GR86 as an 'investment' - Its nothing like some of the metal described above.
The SVR was more a hot rod, rather than sports car, I did love it for that and out of all the cars I haved owned easily the fastest 0-40mph car, no stupid launch control BS, just mash the throttle and get catapulted and no matter the weather it always hooked up, amazing factory sound track too been a 16/17 car. Epic straight line, epic grip, very comfy and surprisingly efficient on a run with the 8speed auto, bargains today for an SVR as well. I also really enjoyed the relatively short gearing, Porsches biggest failure for me when it comes to fun, if going AUTO short ratios add to the fun and feel of acceleration.
For me its downside was and is does not handle like a true lightweight sports car, simply because its closer too 2 tonne heft, like I say more a sledgehammer and the engine made the car to be honest. But not a delicate handling car and not best for feel and feedback.
I've covered V8 vs V10 on R8's, I even took an R8 V10 S-Tronic for a good 60-70 mile drive recently:
For me and how I enjoy driving (flat out) I found the V8 manual far more engaging to drive, it is nice to be able to drive a car hard and not be worrying about the speed I am doing, I am able to enjoy the V8 manual and even if I get caught speeding I am likely to be in a 75-90mph range so license intact. Whereas the same enjoyment levels in V10 were well over 100 and thus always holding back.
A little like when I got caught speeding in the Clio 172 Cup doing around 94mph in an NSL, just 3 points, whereas the same stretch of road in the SVR at the time was 130+, needless to say if I'd been in the SVR that day the punishment would have been in a different league.
I am a big advocate of faster is never better, plus as the OP says 40-45k I feel a nice SVR is probably slightly beyond budget, though an R should be within, only ever recommend the V8 though, found the V6 very boring to drive as the handling dynamics are simply not good enough, as such you need that V8 it makes the car.