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4080 & 4090 Coil Whine Thread

Do you think PCI-E slots and screws on case could play a role? I mean is it possible some cases may not resonate or vibrate frequencies as much with their screws and mounts than others?

Well I have a Silent Base 802 and use mesh front but sound dampening foam is on all areas where there are no fans/airflow. And yet it does not quiet whine enough as buzz is very easily heard and loud with side panel off and head close to the case. No wonder no sound dampening works even on the supposedly better Gaming OCs and such let alone I can only imagine the Strix and Tuf and MSI yikes.

I suppose I need a riser cable to test with so I can move card around a bit to see if maybe the PCI-E slots cause a vibration. Though I did try rubber grommets to shield PCI-E screws and no difference made with one of the Gaming OC cards?
 
Wolverine2349 said:
Heck yes. I hate coil whine and want a smooth sounding silent card. I would easily pay an extra couple hundred. Heck I would pay $1000 more. I want this to end and want a 4090 4K setup with like no whine. I have been ongoing this for 3 months now and sick of it and debating between just dealing with more audible whine than I want or going back to 3090 Ti.
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Yeah the solution would be +25 quid in parts max the rest extra customer service/testing it would involve.

Is a 4080 or 7900xtx an option perhaps?
 
Hostile_18 said:
Yeah the solution would be +25 quid in parts max the rest extra customer service/testing it would involve.

Is a 4080 or 7900xtx an option perhaps?
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Maybe 4080. I doubt 7900XTX or miswell just swap to a Zen 4 system to be all AMD. Though I hear coil whine is as bad or worse with AMD cards than NVIDIA.

Though 4080 gimped bad compared to 4090 and at 4K weaker given 4080 has less CUDA cores than even 3090 and 3090 Ti. At 1440P easily great, but committed to 4K after selling my 1440P monitor and getting a 4K. Well if 3090 Ti back to then have to sell 4K and go back to 1440P.

Or gimp a 4090 to 1200-1400MHz clock speed at 50% power limit which eliminated like any audible whine inside closed case and even ear by case easily audible but buzz much tame kind of like my Giga Gaming OC 3090 Ti. Though jow bad is perf gimped at 1200 to 1400MHz clock with 50% power limit and how would it be compared to stock 4080 or stock 3090 Ti? Still better given the extra CUDA cores and if so still 20+ percent better or almost on par to 3090 Ti?
 
I found with Power limiting it it had not much of an effect at all performance wise on normal rasterisation but did have a big effect on ray tracing games.

There's also the possibility that coil whine will reduce in time. This seems to be fairly prevailing on Asus cards this gen.

If you absolutely can't stand it in any way going back to a 3090ti might be better option for now. If you can put up with a mild amount knowing it may reduce in time then I'd choose the 4090 you've had the best experience with (I can recommend the 4090 fe for low coil whine, just not as good fans).

I think either way you'll be happy when you've made up your mind either way, if you feel anything like me at this point lol. If you do stick with a 4090 just stick with a cheaper one knowing higher end won't mean less whine IMO.

I'm leaning towards a trio next. Just because I expect same amount of whine as a Suprim but 100 quid less, compatible with singal rgb and matches my case better (and those msi fans are magic).
 
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Hostile_18 said:
I found with Power limiting it it had not much of an effect at all performance wise on normal rasterisation but did have a big effect on ray tracing games.

There's also the possibility that coil whine will reduce in time. This seems to be fairly prevailing on Asus cards this gen.

If you absolutely can't stand it in any way going back to a 3090ti might be better option for now. If you can put up with a mild amount knowing it may reduce in time then I'd choose the 4090 you've had the best experience with (I can recommend the 4090 fe for low coil whine, just not as good fans).

I think either way you'll be happy when you've made up your mind either way, if you feel anything like me at this point lol. If you do stick with a 4090 just stick with a cheaper one knowing higher end won't mean less whine IMO.

I'm leaning towards a trio next. Just because I expect same amount of whine as a Suprim but 100 quid less, compatible with singal rgb and matches my case better (and those msi fans are magic).
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When you say power limiting how not much affect on rasterization performance, what power limit percentage was it at?

Well in theory look at this thread:

www.hardwareluxx.de

[Sammelthread] - Ada Lovelace RTX 4xxx: Coilwhine / Fiep / Rassel Thread

Sind eure beiden Karten wirklich so, das man das fiepen/rasseln ohne Spielsound ausm geschlossenen Gehäuse gar nicht hört? Also nichts? Meine MSI 4090 Trio X ist mittlerweile zwar leise geworden, aber ohne Spielsound, kann man es trotzdem noch wahrnehmen. Und dank wechselnder Frequenzen bei...
www.hardwareluxx.de www.hardwareluxx.de

Tech Enthusiast mentions that more inductors and thus more coils could in theory mean better quality though also more coils more chance for whine as some could be bad lottery and more prone with more whine. So works both ways.

For me, I do not care about RGB, just want no whine. I have an enclosed case. I build PCs with the mindset of the early 2000s. Just like the compute power of today's stuff. Not into all the RGB bling and aesthetics and all mobile stuff and mobile apps and all that Just use my phone for looking up on Internet texting or calling and talking to people.

Have you ever had a 3090 Ti. And I wonder was I just really lucky with my 3090 Ti Gaming OC, or are the 3090 Ti cards much less whine prone in general like Hilbert at Guru3D found in reviews though I am sure he just tested one card of each?
 
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I had two 3080 Suprims completely silent and one 3080 strix noisy in everything last gen. I'd have thought your sealed case would have made it even less. If you power limited the Gigabyte did it still need to go down to 40% for it to disappear?

Of course the other option is moving your pc out the room your playing in, but I don't like that idea lol.
 
Hostile_18 said:
I had two 3080 Suprims completely silent and one 3080 strix noisy in everything last gen. I'd have thought your sealed case would have made it even less. If you power limited the Gigabyte did it still need to go down to 40% for it to disappear?

Of course the other option is moving your pc out the room your playing in, but I don't like that idea lol.
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Oh wait so you do not yet have a 4090 you tried power limiting, but only power limited 3080s?

I needed to power limit it to 50% on the last Gaming OC I just exchanged for it to inaudible. 60% or higher still too much whine and like no almost no better than stock On the current PNY 50% almost inaudible but not as smooth as Gaming OC in type of almost non-existent whine. 60% or higher same as stock too much and disappointed.

And yeah i do not like idea of moving PC out of my room I am playing in either. My PC has always been in my room since my first one at 15 years old March 2000 23 years ago. I live on my own and still like it that way. And I like my PC close to me under my desk.
 
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I have the Gigabyte 4090 Gaming OC. No audible Coil Whine. There is a faint electrical buzz when under heavy load, that is not audible in a closed case, but this is not coil whine. I thought the GPU had CW at first, but it was my 25 month old Corsair HX1000 (OEM is CWT) that is squealing.

The PSU was running a 3070 FE with a 3700X, for two years, so a light power draw, first time the PSU is put under pressure, it starts complaining. Switching the PSU to single rail and using the Pcie 5.0 power Connector alleviated it somewhat. Will pick up a new PSU.

My sympathies to those whose GPU’s have audible Coil Whine, I’ve returned dozens of GPUs over the years for Coil whine, I tune my desktop for quiteness and cannot tolerate audible coil whine.
 
Siochain said:
I have the Gigabyte 4090 Gaming OC. No audible Coil Whine. There is a faint electrical buzz when under heavy load, that is not audible in a closed case, but this is not coil whine. I thought the GPU had CW at first, but it was my 25 month old Corsair HX1000 (OEM is CWT) that is squealing.

The PSU was running a 3070 FE with a 3700X, for two years, so a light power draw, first time the PSU is put under pressure, it starts complaining. Switching the PSU to single rail and using the Pcie 5.0 power Connector alleviated it somewhat. Will pick up a new PSU.

My sympathies to those whose GPU’s have audible Coil Whine, I’ve returned dozens of GPUs over the years for Coil whine, I tune my desktop for quiteness and cannot tolerate audible coil whine.
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Wait so there is an electrical buzz? Is it still there even with the new PSU, or just the old Corsair HX1000?

And yes electrical buzz to me is coil whine. I think of coil whine as any audible electrical noise that is not from fans or motors, but parts you would think make no noise at all as they have no moving parts that can be seen.

And surprised to hear that Corsair HX1000. I had a Corsair HX1200 that I got rid of and switched to eVGA SuperNOBA 1600 T2 just to switch up parts in hopes of taming coil whine. SO far no difference.

Though eVGA SuperNOVA 1600 T2 is a great PSU based on Super Flower Leadex and many say the best PSU ever made. Though they lost their contract with Super Flower, but it is still sold. Is it still a great PSU or too outdated?
 
Wolverine2349 said:
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The electrical buzz is very faint, and audible with the side panel off, and my ear very close to the card. The buzz doesn't change sound tone, and it's not high pitched. With the power draw of the 4090, i'm not surprised there is some electrical noise. Coil Whine is higher pitched, and varies in tone depending on power draw, FPS etc.. It is very different, and very irritating. I will be putting a water block on the 4090 at some point. Coil whine would be a complete no go if my card was screeching as the PSU is. I could put another HX1000 in there, and there could be no Coil whine. It's just how components can interact. My Case has the GPU and PSU in separate chambers, so it was easy to isolate the sound to the PSU.

Your PSU is quality, it isn't outdated.
 
Wolverine2349 said:
When you say power limiting how not much affect on rasterization performance, what power limit percentage was it at?

Well in theory look at this thread:

www.hardwareluxx.de

[Sammelthread] - Ada Lovelace RTX 4xxx: Coilwhine / Fiep / Rassel Thread

Sind eure beiden Karten wirklich so, das man das fiepen/rasseln ohne Spielsound ausm geschlossenen Gehäuse gar nicht hört? Also nichts? Meine MSI 4090 Trio X ist mittlerweile zwar leise geworden, aber ohne Spielsound, kann man es trotzdem noch wahrnehmen. Und dank wechselnder Frequenzen bei...
www.hardwareluxx.de www.hardwareluxx.de

Tech Enthusiast mentions that more inductors and thus more coils could in theory mean better quality though also more coils more chance for whine as some could be bad lottery and more prone with more whine. So works both ways.

For me, I do not care about RGB, just want no whine. I have an enclosed case. I build PCs with the mindset of the early 2000s. Just like the compute power of today's stuff. Not into all the RGB bling and aesthetics and all mobile stuff and mobile apps and all that Just use my phone for looking up on Internet texting or calling and talking to people.

Have you ever had a 3090 Ti. And I wonder was I just really lucky with my 3090 Ti Gaming OC, or are the 3090 Ti cards much less whine prone in general like Hilbert at Guru3D found in reviews though I am sure he just tested one card of each?
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I did have two 3090 Ti's One suprim X and the other the Asus Strix LC. The 3090 Ti did have a bit of coil whine. But the strix is a whole different story. I cannot stress this enough you have never heard a card with as bad coil whine as the one I had. It was scarily loud.

And as bad my luck has been for getting cards with the coil whine none of them were even remotely close to the coil whine that 3090ti Strix had.
 
GoRedwings19 said:
I did have two 3090 Ti's One suprim X and the other the Asus Strix LC. The 3090 Ti did have a bit of coil whine. But the strix is a whole different story. I cannot stress this enough you have never heard a card with as bad coil whine as the one I had. It was scarily loud.

And as bad my luck has been for getting cards with the coil whine none of them were even remotely close to the coil whine that 3090ti Strix had.
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I wonder if Hilbert at Guru3D just got lucky unicorns 9 months back with the 3090 Ti cards he tested as the Suprim X he stated was hard to detect whine as well as the tuf and Gaming OC and some other 3090 Ti card in the reviews.

I had a Gaming OC the only 3090 Ti I had and it had very little coil whine and it was very hush and faint and hard to detect in closed chassis. With open chassis it was there, but the buzz/whine was much more faint and tame compared to any 4090 IU have tried including all Gaming OCs.
I wonder if the Gaming OC 3090 Ti I had was just a unicorn I got lucky with a good sample.

I have been unlucky with 4090s so far as none had near the tame whine that the 3090 Ti Gaming OC I had did and all were at least modestly louder. Though I have not had a severe screamer 4090 either that could be heard in closed case on other side of the wall in another room like some horror stories, then again I have avoided all but one Asus card and have not tried any MSI cards.
 
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Wolverine2349 said:
When you say power limiting how not much affect on rasterization performance, what power limit percentage was it at?

Well in theory look at this thread:

www.hardwareluxx.de

[Sammelthread] - Ada Lovelace RTX 4xxx: Coilwhine / Fiep / Rassel Thread

Sind eure beiden Karten wirklich so, das man das fiepen/rasseln ohne Spielsound ausm geschlossenen Gehäuse gar nicht hört? Also nichts? Meine MSI 4090 Trio X ist mittlerweile zwar leise geworden, aber ohne Spielsound, kann man es trotzdem noch wahrnehmen. Und dank wechselnder Frequenzen bei...
www.hardwareluxx.de www.hardwareluxx.de

Tech Enthusiast mentions that more inductors and thus more coils could in theory mean better quality though also more coils more chance for whine as some could be bad lottery and more prone with more whine. So works both ways.

For me, I do not care about RGB, just want no whine. I have an enclosed case. I build PCs with the mindset of the early 2000s. Just like the compute power of today's stuff. Not into all the RGB bling and aesthetics and all mobile stuff and mobile apps and all that Just use my phone for looking up on Internet texting or calling and talking to people.

Have you ever had a 3090 Ti. And I wonder was I just really lucky with my 3090 Ti Gaming OC, or are the 3090 Ti cards much less whine prone in general like Hilbert at Guru3D found in reviews though I am sure he just tested one card of each?
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Just a few observations from a longtime designer of SMPS (VRMs).

More inductors (more phases) gives the benefit of better transient response, lower current ripple and generally higher frequency switching. It is somewhat a requirement at higher currents to have available silicon MOSFETs.

More phases provides no guarantees of reducing "coil whine". The whine can be really complex interactions between parallel phases, sub-harmonic oscillation, control stability issues, load modulation in audible frequencies, blah blah blah, but usually it's just switching behaviours and the resonances of the inductors interacting.

Essentially, there's no simple answer. Whine isn't necessarily a bad thing, just a thing. It's a pain to get rid of from a design standpoint, hence why it is often a problem.
 
Right now you're just better gaming with headphones, until people moan about it enough and amd\nvidia do something about it we're stuck with it.
 
0h_no_not_again said:
Just a few observations from a longtime designer of SMPS (VRMs).

More inductors (more phases) gives the benefit of better transient response, lower current ripple and generally higher frequency switching. It is somewhat a requirement at higher currents to have available silicon MOSFETs.

More phases provides no guarantees of reducing "coil whine". The whine can be really complex interactions between parallel phases, sub-harmonic oscillation, control stability issues, load modulation in audible frequencies, blah blah blah, but usually it's just switching behaviours and the resonances of the inductors interacting.

Essentially, there's no simple answer. Whine isn't necessarily a bad thing, just a thing. It's a pain to get rid of from a design standpoint, hence why it is often a problem.
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Can more phases ever be worse for coil whine because of more inductors?

Like Gigabyte Aorus Master vs Gaming OC?

SOmeone I know stated Aorus Master had worst whine while Gaing OC was one of the better ones. Though they tried only one Master.

Though most reports around say the Aorus Master is one of the quieter cards there is, though some rare reports seen that their Aorus Master has bad whine. While most say it is very quiet.

Why is there such a lottery aspect to coil whine as well depending on the card?
 
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