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4K gaming possible at full settings on todays hardware?

Ian Evey said:
Did you ever acknowledge that bf4 at 1080p maxed out did not run out of vram on a 2gb card?

I know this was when the beta was out, but i remember you saying "2gb owners cant play it maxed out @ 1080p"

If you did admit you were wrong then i am sorry for bringing this up again!

you were wrong :)
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I said it 'might' not be enough at the start of the thread and that was based off the beta results GameGPU posted which i made pretty clear at the time. However when asked about 2gb being enough after the first few pages i also said it should be enough but it may not be enough at 1440P/1600P, which turns out to be correct. Things do like to get twisted here though as we can see earlier in the thread. Apparently AMD said it, when they said no such thing and were talking about 1440P, just like i was.
 
LtMatt said:
I said it 'might' not be enough at the start of the thread and that was based off the beta results GameGPU posted which i made pretty clear at the time. However when asked about 2gb being enough after the first few pages i also said it should be enough but it may not be enough at 1440P/1600P, which turns out to be correct. Things do like to get twisted here though as we can see earlier in the thread. Apparently AMD said it, when they said no such thing and were talking about 1440P, just like i was.
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as it was you that said it, and were throwing around graphs and pic and the like, I just assumed it was AMD propaganda you were doing the rounds with as per

I didn't realise it was just you making unfounded claims again, but thanks for clearing that up :D
 
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Marine-RX179 said:
Next we just need Nvidia or AMD to work out an external or graphic card built-in solution for G-sync/Freesync instead of requiring a piece of hardware inside specific monitors...

I think that 4K 60Hz monitors becoming affordable so quickly is really at odd with the high price G-sync monitors...
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I proper wanted a 1440P 120hz G-Sync monitor but the delay was the reason I didn't get one. The latest is that the ROG Swift has been delayed even further than the summer and my spare cash that I had set aside was burning a hole in my pocket. Seeing these 4K's at 60Hz become affordable was the selling point for me and so glad I made the move.

I have shown how you don't need Titan's to game on this and people are getting too hung up on VRAM and TN. Anyone with a decent high end GPU can get playable frames in the most demanding games and because of the sheer volume of pixels, turn AA off and have a jaggy free image. IAgain, I can only use my experience but as someone who is a GFX *****, I tend to want all the details. I was a firm believer in 4K and max settings or GTFO but truthfully, max settings is nice but not needed.
 
LtMatt said:
I said it 'might' not be enough at the start of the thread and that was based off the beta results GameGPU posted which i made pretty clear at the time. However when asked about 2gb being enough after the first few pages i also said it should be enough but it may not be enough at 1440P/1600P, which turns out to be correct. Things do like to get twisted here though as we can see earlier in the thread. Apparently AMD said it, when they said no such thing and were talking about 1440P, just like i was.
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To be fair, you did say that BF4 wouldn't run at full settings at 1080P with a 2GB card and would need AA turned down. You then edited your post.
 
andybird123 said:
as it was you that said it, and were throwing around graphs and pic and the like, I just assumed it was AMD propaganda you were doing the rounds with as per

I didn't realise it was just you making unfounded claims again, but thanks for clearing that up :D
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Impressive work Andy. I didn't even post that 1440P AMD graph in that thread. Now who's making unfounded claims. :D
 
I'm glad you love your 4k monitor mate. For me though I don't see the point in 4k yet...it's too early for most still. I saw 4k today and wasn't that impressed tbh. It impressed me more when the screen was over 50". Below 50" it was that all that.

Just my opinion greg. Like I said glad your enjoying it. That's all that matters. :)
 
Gregster said:
To be fair, you did say that BF4 wouldn't run at full settings at 1080P with a 2GB card and would need AA turned down. You then edited your post.
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I did which i quickly changed a day or two later after to 'might' after i realised my error. I always maintained it should be fine at 1080P throughout the whole thread but resolutions above that will have problems.
 
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RetrogamerX said:
I'm glad you love your 4k monitor mate. For me though I don't see the point in 4k yet...it's too early for most still. I saw 4k today and wasn't that impressed tbh. It impressed me more when the screen was over 50". Below 50" it was that all that.

Just my opinion greg. Like I said glad your enjoying it. That's all that matters. :)
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Absolutely Retro and there will be a few with the same thoughts as you. I can see the benefit of waiting it out or getting a bigger screen and I can see the benefit of jumping now. I have no intention of trying to convince people that 4K is a must and my thoughts were to pass on my findings. :)
 
Gregster said:
Absolutely Retro and there will be a few with the same thoughts as you. I can see the benefit of waiting it out or getting a bigger screen and I can see the benefit of jumping now. I have no intention of trying to convince people that 4K is a must and my thoughts were to pass on my findings. :)
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And you seem happy. Awesome mate....thats all you can ask for :)
 

Horrible recording with ShadowPlay and I don't think it likes 4K yet :D Only records in 1080P but made it a little stuttery and not smooth at all. With ShadowPlay off, it is very smooth.
 
Lot of pixels close together good for movies and games up close as you are supposed to be for 4k but normal PC/Windows use will be very small and adjusting the DPI has never been ideal in Windows though gets better each new OS.

Possibly Win9 will be better set up for 4k
 
Besty said:
Please don't turn this thread into a vram/graph war, I was enjoying reading Gregster's musings.
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Agreed Besty.

The idea of the thread was to show if 4K was doable on today's hardware and clearly it is. Sure settings can't be maxed with even a pair of Titans in a few of the latest AAA games but notch down AA and a single card can hold its own. I would go so far as to say a pair of 7950's would hold their own quite easily with most settings on max.
 
Gregster said:
Agreed Besty.

The idea of the thread was to show if 4K was doable on today's hardware and clearly it is. Sure settings can't be maxed with even a pair of Titans in a few of the latest AAA games but notch down AA and a single card can hold its own. I would go so far as to say a pair of 7950's would hold their own quite easily with most settings on max.
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You cant even max everything with 1440p. So your titans are doing well at 4k.
 
Gregster, thanks for being the forums 4K guinea pig. Just read through as like many this is something fairly important to us all.

However, I was wondering something a little more extreme.
Others have asked how things looked at 1080P, and you replied it was better at 4K without the AA. So heres the extreme twist... im interested in 3 of them 3x 4K :D
I have no expectation of gaming on 3x4K at all, not in the next year or so, however thats not to say they couldnt be used at 3x1K with reasonable hardware today, desktop at 4K and in a year or 2 who knows.

So im wondering what your thoughts are on those circumstances, last it was brought up you'd mentioned you'd look and see if there was hardware up-scaling i think, and as im more interested in balanced FPS than best image quality, the 4k toned down vs 1080 maxed out isnt a concern here, but i'd be interested in knowing whether the 1080 image came across as being good quality, or whether its poor.
I'd be at a stretch to do 3x4K (Asus, im also mounted, damn Samsung for that!) and a single 290X, but simply because i happen to have the money and probably wouldnt in 6-12mo to wait for cheaper/better monitors and faster cards. So this gets me 28" monitors vs 23", 4K vs 2048x1152, and while i cant use it the way it was intended, i can use it 'today' while still getting the best from it later down the road.
 
From my own experiences I would not want to run a 4k screen as a primary display due to poor os and application support. I would wait for not only updated hdmi and dp connectors but also the next point releases of windows or OS X.

Anandtech chucked up a review of the dell 4k ips panel earlier, I would check out that review as an illustration of what's wrong at the software level.

I would go 1x1080p at 120hz and 1x 4k at 60hz and then add the other 4k panels in two years time.
 
Besty said:
From my own experiences I would not want to run a 4k screen as a primary display due to poor os and application support. I would wait for not only updated hdmi and dp connectors but also the next point releases of windows or OS X.

Anandtech chucked up a review of the dell 4k ips panel earlier, I would check out that review as an illustration of what's wrong at the software level.

I would go 1x1080p at 120hz and 1x 4k at 60hz and then add the other 4k panels in two years time.
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You have hit on a key point. I have the 4K as a primary monitor but also have my Asus 1080P next to it. I find I drag things to the Asus, as some apps like Afterburner are too small to see the numbers. You can enlarge webpages and icons but apps you can't (or at least I don't think you can) and this makes it tough if you are only going to use the 4K solo.

This is the biggest caveat for me in truth and something people need to consider.
 
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