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Kenai, how do you tell whether the panel is VA or IPS? I can find nout in the tech specs for any of the TVs I've been looking at.
4k HDR TV selection - rather baffled!
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Kenai, how do you tell whether the panel is VA or IPS? I can find nout in the tech specs for any of the TVs I've been looking at.
Input lag has been least of their issues tbh, quite a few picture issues and motion handling. Then again, to be expected as it's relatively immature tech. Still I'd agreed, OLED is the future. I think with the sets this year they're finally addressing the peak brightness and next year it'll be even better. Now other manufacturers are buying LG panels the price of OLED in 2-3 years should be pretty reasonable.
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A long time reading forums and reviews etc.
The TV we get in the UK as the XD8005 / XD8077 / XD8088 / XD8099, if I recall correctly, is known as the X800D in the US and the reviews of that seem a bit easier to come by and more detailed than reviews of the UK sets.
This review for example - http://4k.com/tv/sony-x800d-review-4k-hdr-tv-xbr49x800d-xbr43x800d/ - seems to confirm the 43" VA, 49" IPS distinction.
pretty much my thinking and why I picked a cheapy large 4K/HDRish LCD in the interim.
If you're not a big movie buff and not that fussed about HDR I'd personally buy a cheap second hand 1080p set, then wait 2-3 years for a major upgrade and save your money. The difference in detail of 1080p to 4K is so marginal due to viewing distances, ok I do notice some details on mine but it isn't significant. Plus you've still got a huge amount of content which are from 2K DIs and then upscaled for 4K..
So if you don't know what a 2K DI is.. Basically somebody may make a film on film or digital camera, then they make a 2K digital intermediate and do the effects etc at that resolution. You do have "Some" true 4K UHD Blurays but they've either been filmed and mastered at 4K or rescan of the film stock for a proper 4K version.
That's why when you see some 4K reviews, they say there isn't much difference in the detail.. Then again with HDR you'll get that benefit which is worth it. That's a big reason I held off for so long. I saw little point in 4K - but 4K plus HDR, woohoo.
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I said this before, no way do you need 4000 nits of brightness
If anyone thinks the 2016 OLEDs have a brightness issue, I suggest they watch the Pacific Rim UHD release. The HDR in that is fantastic.
And I was playing Resident Evil 7 with HDR enabled and the light shafts from the windows was making me have to squint slightly!
Or dip your toe in via hisense, eitherway avoid megabucks, UHD/HDR movies are 25 quid a pop.
Then you don't understand HDR or peak brightness...
Dolby Vision content is being mastered at 4000 nits, they've also done studies to show that people see a benefit all the way up to 10,000 nits.
Yes 1000 nits is great now... Also yes Pacific Rim is ridiculous on UHD, loved it when I got it. Make no mistake though, the resolution war is over and it's now the battle for brightness for manufacturers.
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Hisense have really surprised me, especially last years. Such well made TVs, really nipping at the big boys now.
I've got around 40 4K UHD Blurays. Most I've gotten for £10-£15 on offers or eBay. Also a few imported from Australia for around £12-£15 a pop. Prices have been coming down.
I find the race for ever increasing brightness ability an odd one, given a few years ago everyone couldn't tell you fast enough how in a shop the TVs are all too bright and the first thing you should do when setting it up at home is reduce the brightness settings so you don't burn your retinas out.
Now it's as if we're racing to build the first TV that's brighter than the sun?
Now it's as if we're racing to build the first TV that's brighter than the sun?
Best way to put it - if you've got a picture of the sun taking up your entire TV then you're going to have a very bright image... However, if you've got a scene looking at the sky at night, with stars. Thats a much smaller "thing" which you want to make very bright to create the contrast between the black, same with a single candle in a room. Then you factor in dynamic HDR, the increase in brightness becomes important. Or all the complex scenes where you have dark elements against bright, say Lord Of The Rings and the mountain scene.
Now not that I've actually seen one - but a number of people got to see a demo of a 4000 nits Sony TV at CES, more of just an early tech demo... Safe to say, they were completely blown away by it. I think AVForums did an article on it.
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But by a similar token, people got blown away by what they saw in shops yet the advice that followed was to restrict the brightness.
It just seems an odd change in direction to me "Too bright is bad, make sure you don't have your TV too bright" to "Your TV can't be bright enough, MOAR BRIGHT PLS"
But by a similar token, people got blown away by what they saw in shops yet the advice that followed was to restrict the brightness.
It just seems an odd change in direction to me "Too bright is bad, make sure you don't have your TV too bright" to "Your TV can't be bright enough, MOAR BRIGHT PLS"
Haha very true. It's about being bright in the right way, so you don't lose the detail. So many things combine to create that great image, not just brightness. However, peak brightness is a key factor.
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I'll be sitting 11ft from the screen...looking around that means 4k is a complete waste on a screen of this size, heck it'd have to be way, way larger to make a difference? To notice the additional resolution over even 720p, I'd need to be way closer than that.
This really is a minefield...
This really is a minefield...
Thanks for the ebay tip, prices are better than amazon, though most films I'd be likely to get seem around £20. Tricky thing is Amazon tend to offer 3 standard blu ray for the same, will keep an eye though.
So my screen is 55" and i sit 11ft from my TV. According to the charts on viewing distance, i'd need a 90" screen and above.
I would say it's pretty accurate, i do see some detail differences so it's not strictly "unnoticeable" but it's marginal and depends on the scene. It's a big reason i didn't upgrade till HDR hit its stride a bit, buying a TV purely for 4K unless you got a big screen you sit close to is relatively pointless. You should only upgrade if you need to, e.g: Your screen is broken. Or if you can afford a Ultra HD Premium set.
Amazon had a few at £13.50 odd a few weeks back, i picked up all those. They also did a 2 for £30 offer which was to match HMV, while Amazon have dropped that HMV still have it on;
http://store.hmv.com/the-big-sale/u...window&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=awin
I tend to watch auctions or low price new buy now listings.. What i've managed to pickup on eBay;
Ghostbusters (2016): £10
X-Men Apocalypse: £10.50
Snow White and the Huntsman: £10
Creed: £12
Also JB Hi-Fi in Australia sometimes run offers, as they're part of the same region the bluray in the pack will also play in our players (All Ultra UHDs are region free). Got Pacific Rim and Great Gatsby for £12 each. AVForums classifieds also has a 4K Bluray section.
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This isn't a criticism of you, but a lot of the 4K movies released are average at best, so people are buying a lot of rubbish though just to experience HDR.
Roll on a mixture of classics (Heat) and more modern stuff that would look great in HDR (Force Awakens)
Roll on a mixture of classics (Heat) and more modern stuff that would look great in HDR (Force Awakens)
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Thank you for this, Sprite (and for all the other things you've posted!).
I currently don't have a TV, hence the drive to get one for viewing stuff not on my BenQ gaming monitor (horrible for non-game viewing)!
After all the posts last night, I went hunting for a decent 1080p circa 50incher, but honestly, the price difference between those and the 4k offerings left me thinking it was worth going 4k (currently booked to pick up the LG UH850V at £650). But like their 8-bit panel, I'm dithering about whether to go for the Samsung UE49KS7000 for £200 more...or just jacking it all in and posting a thread asking about the best 1080p smart TVs out there!
Completely agree - i've got a couple where i'd say HDR hasn't given it "much" of an uptick. The Bourne Identify for example - but i was always going to buy all of those as it's my favourite series of movies.
I would say though "just to experience HDR" isn't a minor thing, it's the primary reason i own a Ultra HD Premium TV and buy 4K UHD Blurays. Manufactures have now clocked onto that fact that while 4K gave them a selling point, it didn't translate into an experience. Where HDR does so they're pushing it very heavy.
No problem mate.
If you're going to spend £650 on a TV - i think you'd be better off going for something like a KS7000. I had a quick search for you, found it for £789 here. So £139 difference.
https://www.hificonfidential.co.uk/...ung-ue49ks7000-49-4k-quantum-dot-suhd-flat-tv
You're going to have a TV then you won't need to upgrade for a significant amount of time and all the enjoyment of a HDR experience for not that much more money.
If you're completely stuck at £650 odd, can't spend a penny more. I'd recommend the H55M7000 - it's pretty much the best non certified TV / not proper HDR. If you hunt around you can get it for £620 or so. If you need something at 49/50" - not sure, i'd have to have a look around.
I'd go for the KS7000 all day long though
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