4k HDR TV selection - rather baffled!

sprite- said:
No problem mate.

If you're going to spend £650 on a TV - i think you'd be better off going for something like a KS7000. I had a quick search for you, found it for £789 here. So £139 difference.

https://www.hificonfidential.co.uk/...ung-ue49ks7000-49-4k-quantum-dot-suhd-flat-tv

You're going to have a TV then you won't need to upgrade for a significant amount of time and all the enjoyment of a HDR experience for not that much more money.

If you're completely stuck at £650 odd, can't spend a penny more. I'd recommend the H55M7000 - it's pretty much the best non certified TV / not proper HDR. If you hunt around you can get it for £620 or so. If you need something at 49/50" - not sure, i'd have to have a look around.

I'd go for the KS7000 all day long though ;)
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Cheers again Sprite.

I'm not stuck at £650, just I started out looking at £400 :D This is getting rather like the budget for my PC when I first came on Overclockers a few years back (ballooned, but totally worth it now).

My issue with the hisense is the 55 inch screen as that's just too large for the wall it's going on.

Thank you also for the Hificonfidential Sammy link - I'm thinking the 6 year warranty + 10 year screen burn warranty with richersounds may be worth the extra £60 over Hificonfidential, as they charge an extra £60 for a five year warranty. I don't usually buy into that sort of thing, but with a big telly like this, it seems like it may be needed...but it could be their marketing just getting to me.
 
I've got the LG 49UH770V in our bedroom. I wall mounted it at the weekend. I think for what I paid for it (£650) it's a very good TV. I don't actually have it hooked up to a TV ariel at the moment, we're just using the built in apps, which are excellent. The TV has wireless .ac and I can confirm it takes a 60GB 4K stream without any buffering or transcoding needed by the server. I've watched a few episodes of The Grand Tour which looked superb. I don't get the obsession with brightness, to me it looked great and I don't see what extra brightness would really add. I've watched all previous episodes on my B6V downstairs and they obviously look better but I think for the money the UH770V is a solid purchase. The KS7000 is better but then there will be something better for a a bit more and you will repeat this cycle until you end up with an OLED!
 
hughtrimble said:
Cheers again Sprite.

I'm not stuck at £650, just I started out looking at £400 :D This is getting rather like the budget for my PC when I first came on Overclockers a few years back (ballooned, but totally worth it now).

My issue with the hisense is the 55 inch screen as that's just too large for the wall it's going on.

Thank you also for the Hificonfidential Sammy link - I'm thinking the 6 year warranty + 10 year screen burn warranty with richersounds may be worth the extra £60 over Hificonfidential, as they charge an extra £60 for a five year warranty. I don't usually buy into that sort of thing, but with a big telly like this, it seems like it may be needed...but it could be their marketing just getting to me.
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Yeah i got my UE55KS7000 from Richersounds, had very good experiences with them in the past on audio equipment and support.

MG42Maniac said:
I've got the LG 49UH770V in our bedroom. I wall mounted it at the weekend. I think for what I paid for it (£650) it's a very good TV. I don't actually have it hooked up to a TV ariel at the moment, we're just using the built in apps, which are excellent. The TV has wireless .ac and I can confirm it takes a 60GB 4K stream without any buffering or transcoding needed by the server. I've watched a few episodes of The Grand Tour which looked superb. I don't get the obsession with brightness, to me it looked great and I don't see what extra brightness would really add. I've watched all previous episodes on my B6V downstairs and they obviously look better but I think for the money the UH770V is a solid purchase. The KS7000 is better but then there will be something better for a a bit more and you will repeat this cycle until you end up with an OLED!
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The LG UH770V isn't a well rated TV to be honest, primary due to being an IPS panel. You've only got to look at reviews from the likes of HDTVTest to know that...

There will always be "something better" but there are certain points in any range of product that there is a "Best Buy", something which balances price with features. The 55" KS7000 is that TV, granted i got it for £899 (and £50 off on top of that) during sales. Still the 49" at its current price is still a great buy. So if somebody had £400 to spend on a TV, were relatively flexible on what they want to achieve and more budget constrained then yes, the KS7000 isn't for them..

However, if you're spending £650 on a TV - spending 10-20% extra is going to give you allot of extra TV for your money. Where say a £2-£2.5k on an LG E6 while a great TV - you're entering the realm where you put a premium on TV performance over price and budget isn't a consideration. I'd also argue that the KS7000 and LG OLED are pretty equally matched, they both come with their positives and negatives. I've got no problem spending 2.5k on a TV, or even an extra £800 for a B6. I didn't feel going for an OLED B6 represented value on performance over a KS7000. Which is why it sits at the top of everyone's Best Buy / TV of the Year list. I actually don't think we've seen a TV like the KS7000 offer that kind of value and performance for several years, Samsung likely forced to do so to combat / fend off LG and OLED.
 
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FurryLemon said:
4k OLED HDR is the daddy. No LCD compares, except in the minds of LCD owners with closet OLED envy of course...

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Haha :)

OLED is great but the 2016 models had clipping issues due to brightness, crushing blacks and motion handling problems, when you're spending that much money on a TV you shouldnt be having that.

The 2017 models look like they've addressed this though.
 
Would you guys say £789 for the 49" ks7000 is a bargain?

I can get it at this price but the only thing that puts me off is that back panel build quality issue.
 
beachBOYken said:
Would you guys say £789 for the 49" ks7000 is a bargain?

I can get it at this price but the only thing that puts me off is that back panel build quality issue.
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Definitely a good price but yes - there have been a few issues with build quality due to the glue they used. Most simply exchanged them till they got one that didn't. You're going to get some form of panel lottery with any TV you buy though, be it build quality, back-light uniformity etc. My one personally has been spotless.
 
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MG42Maniac said:
I've got the LG 49UH770V in our bedroom. I wall mounted it at the weekend. I think for what I paid for it (£650) it's a very good TV. I don't actually have it hooked up to a TV ariel at the moment, we're just using the built in apps, which are excellent. The TV has wireless .ac and I can confirm it takes a 60GB 4K stream without any buffering or transcoding needed by the server. I've watched a few episodes of The Grand Tour which looked superb. I don't get the obsession with brightness, to me it looked great and I don't see what extra brightness would really add. I've watched all previous episodes on my B6V downstairs and they obviously look better but I think for the money the UH770V is a solid purchase. The KS7000 is better but then there will be something better for a a bit more and you will repeat this cycle until you end up with an OLED!
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Indeed! I was actually looking at 1080p OLEDs last night instead of 4k, but the price is still too high for me. I honestly don't think I'll notice, given I've nothing to compare them to.

I can find very little info on the difference between the UH770V and the UH850V. I'm guessing the higher number means 'better'/more recent, but it could simply be that it comes with a better stand, or something.

The spec sheets for both are so inconsistent - the 850V is stated as a 10-bit panel on Curry's website - not even '10-bit compatible' or '10-bit simulation' - straight up '10-bit'. But it isn't, if you read elsewhere.

sprite- said:
Definitely a good price but yes - there have been a few issues with build quality due to the glue they used. Most simply exchanged them till they got one that didn't. You're going to get some form of panel lottery with any TV you buy though, be it build quality, back-light uniformity etc. My one personally has been spotless.
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That's part of what's drawing me to spend the little bit extra to get the RS warranty. Something going wrong with something like this just a couple of years down the line would royally **** me off
 
Here are some shots of my UE55KS7000. All of it is HDR content with exception of Interstellar at 1080p, some shown in a dark room so you can an idea of black level performance and backlight uniformity i got on my panel.

It's fair to say, i was very pleased. (Although hard to show with a camera tbh - better in person)

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sprite- said:
Definitely a good price but yes - there have been a few issues with build quality due to the glue they used. Most simply exchanged them till they got one that didn't. You're going to get some form of panel lottery with any TV you buy though, be it build quality, back-light uniformity etc. My one personally has been spotless.
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I read somewhere if the panel back is separated slightly you can push on it and it clicks back into place.

I can get it from JL for £789.
 
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Cheers for those Sprite.

I misspoke when I said there was no difference between the UH770V and UH850V. The biggest difference seems to be the 2500 vs 2700 Picture Mastering Index (whatever that is) and the 850V has 3d (which I won't use), but the biggest difference seems to be that the 770V actually has 'ColorPrime Plus and Billion Rich Colors and Dynamic Color Enhancer' but the 850V doesn't! They all sound good things to me (they sound like typical jargon) but it seems odd the 850V doesn't have any of that.
 
hughtrimble said:
Is that with their long warranty? May I ask how you've managed to wangle that, e.g. is a public deal, or staff/family discount?
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John Lewis normally price match online sites, i'm assuming he got them to price match based on the deal i posted. Typically yeah, it'll include the warranty. RS sometimes do the same - ring them and tell them JL are price matching and ask if they will also. Find their sales stuff pretty helpful.
 
hughtrimble said:
Is that with their long warranty? May I ask how you've managed to wangle that, e.g. is a public deal, or staff/family discount?
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As sprite says....

Find the cheapest price you can online (no grade A refurb price websites) and make sure they have high street shops as well.

Email JL and they will give you a personal price match. (There is a price match form you can fill in on JL site)

You pay full price at first but then they refund you the price difference after you have received your items.
 
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sprite- said:
John Lewis normally price match online sites, i'm assuming he got them to price match based on the deal i posted. Typically yeah, it'll include the warranty. RS sometimes do the same - ring them and tell them JL are price matching and ask if they will also. Find their sales stuff pretty helpful.
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beachBOYken said:
No.

Find the cheapest price you can online and make sure they have high street shops as well.

Email JL and they will give you a personal price match. (There is a price match form you can fill in on JL site)

You pay full price at first but then they refund you the price difference after you have received your items.
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Cheers both. I'm trying it with Richer Sounds as whilst they refused before on a different TV on the grounds of different warranty, there's one with included 5 year warranty and 10 year screen burn, vs RS's 6 year + 10 year screen burn. I'll report back.
 
hughtrimble said:
Cheers both. I'm trying it with Richer Sounds as whilst they refused before on a different TV on the grounds of different warranty, there's one with included 5 year warranty and 10 year screen burn, vs RS's 6 year + 10 year screen burn. I'll report back.
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JL warranty and customer service is also raved about. I think either JL or Richersounds and you'll be good.
 
hughtrimble said:
Cheers for those Sprite.

I misspoke when I said there was no difference between the UH770V and UH850V. The biggest difference seems to be the 2500 vs 2700 Picture Mastering Index (whatever that is) and the 850V has 3d (which I won't use), but the biggest difference seems to be that the 770V actually has 'ColorPrime Plus and Billion Rich Colors and Dynamic Color Enhancer' but the 850V doesn't! They all sound good things to me (they sound like typical jargon) but it seems odd the 850V doesn't have any of that.
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850V does have all of them it's just listed in a different way further down the spec sheet.

The 850V is slightly better and has 3D. It also has much louder speakers. It's better overall I imagine in things you cannot quantify off a spec sheet.


There is no way I would buy a hisense over a LG.

The sound on the LG blows any tv apart. Even your Samsung KS7000. With the LG (Harmon Kardon Speakers) there is no need for a soundbar.

I had a friend come round. I have MA BX6's, with centre, BX2 surrounds (big speakers) and I was playing a movie through the tv speakers and he asked if that was my surround as it was so loud, so clear and so good. When I said no he was shocked. This is something you can never tell by a spec sheet and most tv reviews never talk about built in sound.

Basically OP with the LG you don't need to buy a seperate soundbar to enjoy decent sound.

Hisense also are cheap for a reason. I bought one and then gave it away. I don't even feel bad for throwing away £450 on it. It was a terrible tv compared to the premium panels I have had before. The only thing you can say about them is that they are cheap.

Also OP there is no such thing as a decent 1080P tv (brand new). All tv's nowadays are 4K. The limited number of 1080p models are all very poor spec wise. Next year I imagine they will be phased out completely.

If you have £600 to spend get the UH770V. You won't regret it.

If you can afford to spend £200 more then get the KS7000.

It's as simple as that really.

Also res does matter when it comes to streams. It doesn't matter if you are 30 feet away you will notice the difference between a 4K stream and a HD stream because HD streams aren't that great.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
850V does have all of them it's just listed in a different way further down the spec sheet.

The 850V is slightly better and has 3D. It also has much louder speakers. It's better overall I imagine in things you cannot quantify off a spec sheet.


There is no way I would buy a hisense over a LG.

The sound on the LG blows any tv apart. Even your Samsung KS7000. With the LG (Harmon Kardon Speakers) there is no need for a soundbar.

I had a friend come round. I have MA BX6's, with centre, BX2 surrounds (big speakers) and I was playing a movie through the tv speakers and he asked if that was my surround as it was so loud, so clear and so good. When I said no he was shocked. This is something you can never tell by a spec sheet and most tv reviews never talk about built in sound.

Basically OP with the LG you don't need to buy a seperate soundbar to enjoy decent sound.

Hisense also are cheap for a reason. I bought one and then gave it away. I don't even feel bad for throwing away £450 on it. It was a terrible tv compared to the premium panels I have had before. The only thing you can say about them is that they are cheap.

Also OP there is no such thing as a decent 1080P tv (brand new). All tv's nowadays are 4K. The limited number of 1080p models are all very poor spec wise. Next year I imagine they will be phased out completely.

If you have £600 to spend get the UH770V. You won't regret it.

If you can afford to spend £200 more then get the KS7000.

It's as simple as that really.

Also res does matter when it comes to streams. It doesn't matter if you are 30 feet away you will notice the difference between a 4K stream and a HD stream because HD streams aren't that great.
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LG have cheap and low end TVs just like Hisense, they also have mid to high end. The M7000 is rated as one the best TVs for £600, AVForums said it was a TV with some of the best build quality they've seen. I'd pick that over any LG non OLED TV.

If TV speakers are important, then sure it'll factor in. Personally, I run a Denon AVR with KEF 3005SE 5.1. I wouldn't care if a TV had speakers at all. I'd never go back.
 
My wife tends to use the TV speakers as she has no idea how to use the AMP. However I will use the amp for 99% of viewing and only not use it when I'm just checking something on the sky box
 
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