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There are a couple of reasons I haven't rushed out and bought the Pioneer:

- It is first gen and it's been out a while, it's bound to be replaced soon (although isn't this always the case)

- It doesn't seem great value for money

- The PS4 Neo may do a similar job (although potentially not as good in some departments)

- My AV cupboard needs shelving :)
 
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Whoa that went downhill fast.

I know its going to be a sucker punch when the 4k players are better value and its time to try and sell the Samsung. However just started watching Star Trek Into Darkness and the first ten minutes when they save the volcano just made me beam. Pardon the pun. It looked even better than I remember it in the cinema. Especially the bit where they draw the enterprise in the sand at the end of the sequence. The vibrant colours and detail are amazing.


There are a couple of reasons I haven't rushed out and bought the Pioneer:

- It is first gen and it's been out a while, it's bound to be replaced soon (although isn't this always the case)

Pioneer ???? Out for a while ??? Where ?
 
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So, any reviews of the Xbox yet which focus on its abilities as a disc player?

All the ones I've seen thus far are reviewing it as a console and just mention the Bluray abilities as an aside. Keen to know how it compares to standalone players.
 
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Cheers - shows promise I guess if you don't need Dolby Atmos. I'd only be interested in the base 500GB version though which isn't available yet and, by the time it is, the standalone market could have shifted significantly.
 
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Cheers - shows promise I guess if you don't need Dolby Atmos. I'd only be interested in the base 500GB version though which isn't available yet and, by the time it is, the standalone market could have shifted significantly.

I wasn't sure if it meant it couldn't play atmos audio off a 4k film which if true seems like a massive oversight. Hopefully the ps4/Scorpio won't have the same design flaw.
 
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Ordering the Panny tomorrow............

I'm honestly surprised people are buying the Panasonic.

Don't get me wrong, if people want to spend their money on the best player available then fair enough. It's just that, with only two players on the market (not counting the XBox) and a very limited number of discs, surely it's worth waiting a few months for more films and players to appear as prices are sure to tumble massively, aren't they?
 
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I'm honestly surprised people are buying the Panasonic.

Don't get me wrong, if people want to spend their money on the best player available then fair enough. It's just that, with only two players on the market (not counting the XBox) and a very limited number of discs, surely it's worth waiting a few months for more films and players to appear as prices are sure to tumble massively, aren't they?

Thing is when you want the best you cant wait. What counts I guess is the few movies that are available generally blow you away for PQ along with HDR. Well worth the money so far. Can only get better.
 
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I'm honestly surprised people are buying the Panasonic.

Don't get me wrong, if people want to spend their money on the best player available then fair enough. It's just that, with only two players on the market (not counting the XBox) and a very limited number of discs, surely it's worth waiting a few months for more films and players to appear as prices are sure to tumble massively, aren't they?

A bit. I'm getting my TV calibrated by the hdtvtest chap next week and i'd like the player done at the same time as it'd be expensive to have him come back.
 
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And........ welcome to 1997/1998 and dvd . Pay top £ and no discs lol. I had a panny a100 in 1998 and my town had about 15 discs . Online orders from the USA.

I was early on the DVD bandwagon actually, with the infamous Samsung grey import player from Woolies that could be made region free with a universal remote.

As for no discs, shortly afterward I went to Montreal on business and promptly bought about 30 films from the local HMV - they looked at me very strangely :)

EDIT: Actually it's funny how region coding has progressed. They were so stringent with it on DVDs yet the vast majority of Blurays don't have coding as they couldn't be bothered and I understand Ultra HD Bluray doesn't even have a region coding system.
 
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Yes i did similar. Wasnt quite so quick with bluray - i waited and bought a ps3. Still had no films though, so still ended up ordering region free imports. Not again, not this time :p

I wasn't straight in with Bluray but had an early Sony BDP-S350 which I've only just replaced (freebie with new TV). The PS3 was a nice way into Bluray when players were still very expensive but was notoriously noisy.

The only Blurays I've imported are specials and box-sets that were never sold over here, such as the 10-disc Ultimate Matrix set and the 5-disc Blade Runner final cut set. I still do this from time to time - for example my most recent import was the 4-disc Prometheus which isn't sold here.
 
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The US forum.blu-ray.com site talks about lower spec Panasonic DMP-UB700 imminently being shown at CES (there are also other xbox one s reviews in other threads)

ov sjo how does the Panasonic player need to be calibrated ?
 
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There's also a Philips player out now, at least in America.

jpaul- It has various picture related settings, that's all I know.
 
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Well, video is a complex business, especially with 4k and HDR thrown in. Its more about making sure the player understands the capability of the screen in order to get the best out of it and i guess the two players arent quite the same in that regard? also obviously player other content, 1080p blurays for example, and upscaling them will be different across the different players. Since the player has to do some processing there, there's going to be differences. same with dvd playback.
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You think the player should do the upscaling rather than the screen?

(I honestly dont know which should be best, and maybe different combinations of products produce highly variable results) but in my personal experience, and admittedly talking about the switch to 1080p rather than 4k, I ve always thought it better to use the screens upscaling ability as its more likely to be better suited to the display itself and also potentially if not likely to be a better processing chip to do the actual upscaling?

Rather than use a relatively cheaper player to do the hard work and then let the tv just display what it receives.

Really interested to find out why the other way should be better.

EDIT: Actually it's funny how region coding has progressed. They were so stringent with it on DVDs yet the vast majority of Blurays don't have coding as they couldn't be bothered and I understand Ultra HD Bluray doesn't even have a region coding system.

II would say thats a bit misleading (considering I have 700+ BR's), a lot of the older films now on BR come out without region coding (Im talking 50-60s films) and maybe those that have been issued a few times on BR already, but there is still a lot coming out with coding , Im going off MakeMKV telling me rather than the sometimes tiny impossible to read info on the back.

Dont get me wrong I do come across a lot still that are new releases without region coding, but from what I understand its irrelevant with 4k BR's where ever they are released (which to me makes it even more annoying when some discs come out in the US and dont here and vice versa, even though I understand distribution channels can be different).

15-20 4k BR's avilable in the UK and about double that in the US , I dont think that can be sneazed at after a handful of months of the format being formally released. By Christmas it sounds like there should be at least double that (and The Abyss finally coming out early 2017 which is a must buy for me)


I wasn't straight in with Bluray but had an early Sony BDP-S350 which I've only just replaced (freebie with new TV). The PS3 was a nice way into Bluray when players were still very expensive but was notoriously noisy.
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This is the generic problem with consoles as players, there is a lot more electronics in a console than in a player so therefore cooling has to be a lot better (although personally I never found the PS3 to be overly noisy and I got mine as soon as it was released in the UK along with Casino Royale on BR and a few others, Stealth ? maybe not sure about that one)
 
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You think the player should do the upscaling rather than the screen?

(I honestly dont know which should be best, and maybe different combinations of products produce highly variable results) but in my personal experience, and admittedly talking about the switch to 1080p rather than 4k, I ve always thought it better to use the screens upscaling ability as its more likely to be better suited to the display itself and also potentially if not likely to be a better processing chip to do the actual upscaling?

Rather than use a relatively cheaper player to do the hard work and then let the tv just display what it receives.

Really interested to find out why the other way should be better.

It's usually been the case that the scalers in TV's have not been as good as those found in players, depending on how cheap the player is but that's been the norm as far as I was aware, the UB900 you should definitely use its scaler as it's very good.
 
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