4k Ultrawide Gsync 120Hz+ or OLED TV alternative

I thought they'd resolved burn in on OLED now, or is that an older model you have?

It isn't so much "resolved", they have just found ways to prevent it and reverse it i.e. LG's pixel refresher (a manual run, which should only be used for severe burn in that won't go away with other methods and an auto run that runs in standby for 7 minutes after 4 hours of tv usage) and screen shift i.e. the pixels move every now and then automatically (not noticeable at all). I've seen people who say they have gamed on theirs every day for hours at a time and no burn in whatsoever but then you see people who say they have bad burn in, personally I think it is just down to people not being careful i.e. running silly brightness settings and playing games with really bright HUDs for 5+ hours straight and don't pause the game or take a break.

I don't game as much now so it shouldn't' be much of an issue for me.

And no, I got the new model, the older models don't have these new features.

Does it scale well then? 120Hz is def a bonus on these, but try to test DSR and see how it looks.

From the games I've tried, yes, no issues at all with scaling, be it the image or the HUD.

Aside from 16.9 aspect ratio, gaming on OLED is just vastly better in every other way compared to my 29um65, 21.9 is possible on 16.9 too, I just need to get the correct timings for the custom resolution :p

There are a range of resolutions you can choose from already:

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But only 1920x1080 @ 120HZ is possible on my end.

AMD control panel says VSR is not supported. Not sure if that is an AMD thing or HDMI thing.

I thought you got one of these for £1350 as well?

Are you able to share where you are getting that?

John lewis price match of £1600 and LG cashback of £500 after the 16th Dec. Unfortunately you won't get it now as it was a **** up on both ends during black friday.
 
I never went ahead with it in the end, too glossy. Still pondering though tbh, will wait til Jan now.

Regarding that, I have also been very surprised by how good the screen is during the day and with light sources shining on the screen, still better than my 29um65 even with its matte anti glare finish, leagues better than my panny plasma too.

Crappy photo but gives somewhat of an idea, big ass velux window directly behind me and division during night time (with night mode on):

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No way I would be able to see that screen/game as well as that on my monitor during these conditions unless I turned the brightness to 60+% but then you just bring the bleed and IPS glow levels up as well.

And yeah you might as well wait till Jan./boxing day sales now, should at the very least get £1350 deal again.
 
All of LG's 2017 OLEDS can do 120HZ @ 1080P. One of the review sites said they didn't notice any difference to 60HZ mode, at least where input lag was concerned but I definitely notice a difference so maybe it was a bug in the firmware at their time of review. Either way, even 60HZ is very good and this is all in standard mode i.e. not in game mode, which will further reduce input lag.

https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/tv-an...art-4k-ultra-hd-hdr-oled-tv-10160548-pdt.html

That's the one I got, although I will be returning it as I can get the e7 model for £1099, same panel, just cheaper than what I paid + built in soundbar and more fancy remote.

No idea if dsr will work with 120HZ, I think you will be surprised by how good even 1920x1080 looks though.

Sounds good :). And yes I was looking at the one with the soundbar too so I don't have too wall mount it.

Would there be any issue with burn in on just like general desktop usage and YouTube etc?

Have you used say a good 21:9 100hz monitor before? Or a sync tech. Much differences noticed?

I think dsr will work as it's a nvidia scaling tech so is done by the gpu to clean out images rather than the panel.

Interested though as my 1080Ti will drive 4k just fine.

Is it actually running at 120hz?

Your overall opinion on the TV and OLED/HDR experience? Vs say a gaming monitor?

Thanks :). I'm seriously considering it just would like to know as much as I can before I make my decision.
 
Sounds good :). And yes I was looking at the one with the soundbar too so I don't have too wall mount it.

Would there be any issue with burn in on just like general desktop usage and YouTube etc?

Have you used say a good 21:9 100hz monitor before? Or a sync tech. Much differences noticed?

I think dsr will work as it's a nvidia scaling tech so is done by the gpu to clean out images rather than the panel.

Interested though as my 1080Ti will drive 4k just fine.

Is it actually running at 120hz?

Your overall opinion on the TV and OLED/HDR experience? Vs say a gaming monitor?

Thanks :). I'm seriously considering it just would like to know as much as I can before I make my decision.

Honestly I can't say for sure, if you leave it running for 2+ hours with a bright white at 50+% then yes, there could be but after the pixel refresher runs for 7 minutes when you put the tv into standby mode, any burn in could very well be removed.

Not used a 21.9 100+HZ monitor before but I have used CRT and 144HZ monitor etc. (this was years ago though) and I am not the most sensitive to input lag and I don't play CS:GO so I may not find it an issue but if you play the likes of CS:GO then you might find it an issue. No doubt those monitors are more "responsive" and have better motion clarity than 60HZ LCD monitors but for myself, again, the input lag isn't a big deal, motion clarity wise, they are vastly better especially if you maintain the 100+ fps.

I have no issues with competitive gaming on my 60HZ monitor and I would say the same about the tv with 120HZ @ 1080P now. Essentially for competitive gaming such as bf 1, I would still pick my monitor purely due to the setup, 21.9 and being more convenient to use with a M+ K.

I've seen free/g sync in action but again this was when they first came out and they have improved a lot since then (especially freesync) and no doubt they are great for eliminating input lag and screen tearing but I found that low fps is still low fps i.e. motion clarity still suffers at <50 fps. Screen tearing is less noticeable on the TV.

I would pick sync tech. over a high refresh rate every day of the week and I would pick OLED over a higher resolution/PPI display every day of the week.

As above, you will need to check on that, I can't seem to get AMD's VSR to work but chances are it is just an AMD thing....

And yes it is, I tested it on ufotest.com

https://www.testufo.com/

120HZ works without any frame skipping and is noticeably better for motion clarity in all of the tests compared to 60HZ.

Overall, the experience for it has been great:

- great motion
- low input lag
- the best iq you will get
- blacks are black
- shadow detail is superb (all the little things in dark areas just pop out so much more)
- 55" is nice size
- very good in bright room conditions with regards to reflection

Also, if you use a controller for gaming then input lag will be even less of an issue, the only games where I use a K+M are shooters, especially if online like bf 1.

But again, I am a casual gamer these days so for my needs, oled tv just made more sense and is better for my requirements.

The only thing I am missing atm is 21.9 for gaming, once I can get the correct timings working, this won't be an issue though, sure you will get black bars on the bottom and top of the TV but they are "true" black so you don't notice them especially in a dark room and the image is still bigger than a 34/38" 21.9 monitor:

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HDR wise, not really tried it much, well not on pc side anyway since my 290 doesn't have the support for it but when playing back content on the tv i.e. la la land, passengers etc. HDR, it looks really good. Personally I don't think HDR gaming for PC will take of though, at least not any time soon as there are no true HDR monitors and there won't be for a good few years imo. As per the other thread on here, is it a game changer? imo, not really, oled alone is far more of a game changer.

My main reason for going oled TV route over monitor was simply down to this:

- monitor tech stalling, 4-5 years since I got my 29um65 and things haven't progressed at all except for higher resolution at higher refresh rate
- silly prices, they have only gone up and given that the dell 30" oled was £3000, a 21.9 HDR OLED 100+HZ 4k free/g sync will cost even more, I just think that is crazy when you can get 55" OLED now for £1350-1500 and chances are by the time a monitor of that spec comes out, tvs will be even further ahead and significantly cheaper
- QC issues especially with IPS and the bleed + glow

Crap photos again but just to show the difference between blacks, the monitor looks a lot better in real life though i.e. the glow isn't anywhere as noticeable but I had to go into lightroom to reduce the exposure for the monitor photos as it looked even worse, I didn't have to do anything for the oled photos:

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One other thing I have noticed is I seem to get less eye strain with the oled TV than my monitor, I don't know if this is because it is more visible/clearer in brighter conditions, less hazy looking, better motion or/and just because I am sitting further back.....

Some other photos I took the other day when I got it, they really look crap in comparison to what you see in real life though, with oled, it is like you are looking through a window:

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1IwhdxJ.jpg

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And some films:

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l86fxts.jpg

yoMT54U.jpg

Hope that helps.

If you're still unsure, the best thing to do is buy it, try it, don't like it, return within the 14 day CCR.
 
Honestly I can't say for sure, if you leave it running for 2+ hours with a bright white at 50+% then yes, there could be but after the pixel refresher runs for 7 minutes when you put the tv into standby mode, any burn in could very well be removed.

Not used a 21.9 100+HZ monitor before but I have used CRT and 144HZ monitor etc. (this was years ago though) and I am not the most sensitive to input lag and I don't play CS:GO so I may not find it an issue but if you play the likes of CS:GO then you might find it an issue. No doubt those monitors are more "responsive" and have better motion clarity than 60HZ LCD monitors but for myself, again, the input lag isn't a big deal, motion clarity wise, they are vastly better especially if you maintain the 100+ fps.

I have no issues with competitive gaming on my 60HZ monitor and I would say the same about the tv with 120HZ @ 1080P now. Essentially for competitive gaming such as bf 1, I would still pick my monitor purely due to the setup, 21.9 and being more convenient to use with a M+ K.

I've seen free/g sync in action but again this was when they first came out and they have improved a lot since then (especially freesync) and no doubt they are great for eliminating input lag and screen tearing but I found that low fps is still low fps i.e. motion clarity still suffers at <50 fps. Screen tearing is less noticeable on the TV.

I would pick sync tech. over a high refresh rate every day of the week and I would pick OLED over a higher resolution/PPI display every day of the week.

As above, you will need to check on that, I can't seem to get AMD's VSR to work but chances are it is just an AMD thing....

And yes it is, I tested it on ufotest.com

https://www.testufo.com/

120HZ works without any frame skipping and is noticeably better for motion clarity in all of the tests compared to 60HZ.

Overall, the experience for it has been great:

- great motion
- low input lag
- the best iq you will get
- blacks are black
- shadow detail is superb (all the little things in dark areas just pop out so much more)
- 55" is nice size
- very good in bright room conditions with regards to reflection

Also, if you use a controller for gaming then input lag will be even less of an issue, the only games where I use a K+M are shooters, especially if online like bf 1.

But again, I am a casual gamer these days so for my needs, oled tv just made more sense and is better for my requirements.

The only thing I am missing atm is 21.9 for gaming, once I can get the correct timings working, this won't be an issue though, sure you will get black bars on the bottom and top of the TV but they are "true" black so you don't notice them especially in a dark room and the image is still bigger than a 34/38" 21.9 monitor:

3P35pko.jpg

HDR wise, not really tried it much, well not on pc side anyway since my 290 doesn't have the support for it but when playing back content on the tv i.e. la la land, passengers etc. HDR, it looks really good. Personally I don't think HDR gaming for PC will take of though, at least not any time soon as there are no true HDR monitors and there won't be for a good few years imo. As per the other thread on here, is it a game changer? imo, not really, oled alone is far more of a game changer.

My main reason for going oled TV route over monitor was simply down to this:

- monitor tech stalling, 4-5 years since I got my 29um65 and things haven't progressed at all except for higher resolution at higher refresh rate
- silly prices, they have only gone up and given that the dell 30" oled was £3000, a 21.9 HDR OLED 100+HZ 4k free/g sync will cost even more, I just think that is crazy when you can get 55" OLED now for £1350-1500 and chances are by the time a monitor of that spec comes out, tvs will be even further ahead and significantly cheaper
- QC issues especially with IPS and the bleed + glow

Crap photos again but just to show the difference between blacks, the monitor looks a lot better in real life though i.e. the glow isn't anywhere as noticeable but I had to go into lightroom to reduce the exposure for the monitor photos as it looked even worse, I didn't have to do anything for the oled photos:

jCeSen2.jpg

FJCnXD1.jpg

tHLLoYH.jpg

6mpPmP5.jpg

One other thing I have noticed is I seem to get less eye strain with the oled TV than my monitor, I don't know if this is because it is more visible/clearer in brighter conditions, less hazy looking, better motion or/and just because I am sitting further back.....

Some other photos I took the other day when I got it, they really look crap in comparison to what you see in real life though, with oled, it is like you are looking through a window:

vNAbW7d.jpg

1IwhdxJ.jpg

CPK0Pf9.jpg

And some films:

2mkmTmg.jpg

1SFDmRw.jpg

l86fxts.jpg

yoMT54U.jpg

Hope that helps.

If you're still unsure, the best thing to do is buy it, try it, don't like it, return within the 14 day CCR.

Thanks a great deal for all the help
mate has helped me a lot!

Certainly from those photos it looks stunning both in game and those films look excellent.

I too find myself playing mainly single player games now. Very little in terms of fps anymore. And I do watch a lot of films and TV so will help too.

I think I very likely will give it a try and see how I find it. Will give me plenty of choice at least 4k 60/21:9/120hz. I know from experience dsr looks awesome (as good as) if it works.
 
Thanks a great deal for all the help
mate has helped me a lot!

Certainly from those photos it looks stunning both in game and those films look excellent.

I too find myself playing mainly single player games now. Very little in terms of fps anymore. And I do watch a lot of films and TV so will help too.

I think I very likely will give it a try and see how I find it. Will give me plenty of choice at least 4k 60/21:9/120hz. I know from experience dsr looks awesome (as good as) if it works.

No problem :)

The photos really don't do it any justice at all, you will be blown away when you see it in person :D Having all my 4k wallpapers from interfacelift on a slideshow looks epic, looking through a window is the perfect way to describe it, worth the money and having the TV for that alone :p

And yup, it can/is a very versatile display depending on what you want and should/if HDR pick up for gaming, you will at least have the full true ultra HDR premium experience at boot too, not one of these displays that claim HDR yet come nowhere close to HDR support i.e., they lack the:

- peak brightness
- black level
- contrast ratio
- resolution (4k ultra HDR premium is actually 4096 x 2160, not 3840 × 2160 like every other "4k monitor")
- bit depth

etc. etc.

Like I said in a post above, there won't be a monitor that comes anywhere close to these oled tvs for years and if/when they do, they are going to cost silly money.

My only complaint with it is that it is a bit of faff having to set the tv up and switch modes depending on what you're doing i.e.

- for films/tv shows, I like tru motion so I have to go through settings to enable this
- for gaming, if a game doesn't allow you to switch displays in the menu, you then need to go to windows settings to make the tv the main display then switch back when you're done and then go through settings again to disable tru motion for when gaming/playing at 60+ fps
 
No problem :)

The photos really don't do it any justice at all, you will be blown away when you see it in person :D Having all my 4k wallpapers from interfacelift on a slideshow looks epic, looking through a window is the perfect way to describe it, worth the money and having the TV for that alone :p

And yup, it can/is a very versatile display depending on what you want and should/if HDR pick up for gaming, you will at least have the full true ultra HDR premium experience at boot too, not one of these displays that claim HDR yet come nowhere close to HDR support i.e., they lack the:

- peak brightness
- black level
- contrast ratio
- resolution (4k ultra HDR premium is actually 4096 x 2160, not 3840 × 2160 like every other "4k monitor")
- bit depth

etc. etc.

Like I said in a post above, there won't be a monitor that comes anywhere close to these oled tvs for years and if/when they do, they are going to cost silly money.

My only complaint with it is that it is a bit of faff having to set the tv up and switch modes depending on what you're doing i.e.

- for films/tv shows, I like tru motion so I have to go through settings to enable this
- for gaming, if a game doesn't allow you to switch displays in the menu, you then need to go to windows settings to make the tv the main display then switch back when you're done and then go through settings again to disable tru motion for when gaming/playing at 60+ fps

Thanks :)

Have it ordered so looking forward to it. Hopefully should be here tomorrow.

Will be my primary display so hopefully won't be too much of a faf. Will just ensure to not leave anything static like taskbar etc on the desktop. But other than that 90% of my pc usage is games now, rest is a mix of this forum, research general browsing and YouTube. Nothing that will result with hours on end on the same image anyway.

Gone with it because I can not only use for my pc but will be great for my switch, films and tv and emulators as well. Plus been playing around on my old tv at 60hz and haven't had an issue. Certainly feels smoother than my monitor at 60hz anyway.

And I'm just fed up of current monitor QC which is horrible at this present time, especially for the cost they are. Must have gone through nearly 10 monitors these past few months every single one with some form of issue or defect.

I said to myself I'll try one last monitor then I'll just grab a tv because I've just had enough. Hopefully I will love it and I'll be steering clear of monitors for the foreseeable future.
 
Thanks :)

Have it ordered so looking forward to it. Hopefully should be here tomorrow.

Will be my primary display so hopefully won't be too much of a faf. Will just ensure to not leave anything static like taskbar etc on the desktop. But other than that 90% of my pc usage is games now, rest is a mix of this forum, research general browsing and YouTube. Nothing that will result with hours on end on the same image anyway.

Gone with it because I can not only use for my pc but will be great for my switch, films and tv and emulators as well. Plus been playing around on my old tv at 60hz and haven't had an issue. Certainly feels smoother than my monitor at 60hz anyway.

And I'm just fed up of current monitor QC which is horrible at this present time, especially for the cost they are. Must have gone through nearly 10 monitors these past few months every single one with some form of issue or defect.

I said to myself I'll try one last monitor then I'll just grab a tv because I've just had enough. Hopefully I will love it and I'll be steering clear of monitors for the foreseeable future.

Nice one :cool:

I will be surprised if you don't like it! Every time I look at something on mine, I'm still blown away by it, just can't emphasise how much of a difference "true" blacks and a high contrast ratio make to IQ especially in dark scenes, far better than any resolution and refresh rate bump imo. HDR is very impressive on the gold standard films i.e. like passengers. Essentially I rate it like this:

OLED >>>> HDR >>>> sync tech. >>>>>> high refresh rate >>>>>>>> 4k

And likewise, still can't believe how much better it is than my monitor for motion clarity even at 60HZ!

Just check your panel uniformity, that is the only issue with these oleds and could be a "panel lottery", however, as I posted in another thread:

banding - yup it is a lottery but nowhere near as much of a lottery as it is for monitors i.e. severe IPS glow and bleed and even then, if you get an oled with quite bad banding, it is only visible on "torture" tests i.e. split second scenes with a near all dark grey background, nowhere near as bothersome as the ips glow/bleed and just general **** blacks/contrast ratios on all lcd monitors that ruin any dark contentbanding - yup it is a lottery but nowhere near as much of a lottery as it is for monitors i.e. severe IPS glow and bleed and even then, if you get an oled with quite bad banding, it is only visible on "torture" tests i.e. split second scenes with a near all dark grey background, nowhere near as bothersome as the ips glow/bleed and just general **** blacks/contrast ratios on all lcd monitors that ruin any dark content

Couple of threads to have a read through:

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ol...8-2017-lg-oled-master-information-thread.html

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ol...uniformity-discussion-banding-vignetting.html

And an expert calibrator and big judge for TVs in USA recommends to run his slides (D-nice is his name) for the first 100 hours on vibrant preset with fast speed:

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ol...ners-thread-no-price-talk-5.html#post51599673

And to do an auto compensation cycle every 24-36 hours. Auto compensation cycle is something that runs on your tv when it is in standby mode for 10 minutes after 4 hours of usage.

Couple of tips for when you get your oled:

1. Check your 5% grey slides
2. Take photos of the 5% grey slides before/after each compensation cycle (good to have for reference)
3. Check the torture tests out to see if it will be an issue for you in normal usage

And yup, for me the final nail in the coffin was the prices, no progression and prices have only gone up, no thanks, I'm not getting milked by etailers and manufacturers any more :p

Oh and this:

display port for monitor and hdmi cable for tv is all you need and windows 10 built in settings is all you need too. I got display fusion but only for wallpapers.

1. make sure nvidia control panel is set to full RGB 4:4:4
2. make sure tv black level is set to high for when connected to the PC via HDMI
3. unless games don't have an option to switch displays, keep the tv set to extended, if games don't have the option to set which display to use then make the tv the primary display
4. for films, install MPC - HC and madvr:

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/26-home-theater-computers/1357375-advanced-mpc-hc-setup-guide.html

And make sure you copy and paste this:

1080p23, 1080p24, 1080p25, 1080p50, 1080p60, 2160p23, 2160p24, 2160p25, 2160p50, 2160p60, 720p23, 720p24, 720p25, 720p50, 720p60

Into this part here:

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That TV looks amazing, I am back to my crappy 1080p 144hz monitor sent my ViewSonic IPS back, All these new monitors that are coming out to me they don't feel special anymore.

I want a 4k TV, Oled, 40 inch, 100+Hz.

I will be a happy bunny.
 
Has arrived and I'm itching to open the box but i best wait and get the bracket up first which won't be here until tomorrow :(.

Will keep you updated :).

Might as well set it up now to check it and get it set up so all you have to do tomorrow is mount it.

Not sure what model you got but with the c7, you only have 4 screws for the stand and that's it.
 
Was also looking to buy the Oled C7 for £1349 and use it for my PC with the 120hz @ 1080p...for gaming..... But then I read about the HDMI 2.1 that can do 120hz@4k with dynamic HDR, low input lag, and VRR which is basically gsync/free sync for tvs... And thought I would wait till the Jan CES to see what's announced From LG.... Only problem will be we would need graphics card's that are HDMI 2.1 https://media.giphy.com/media/k61nOBRRBMxva/giphy.gif
 
Came into this thread looking for info on new monitors..... Left it thinking about buying a bloody TV. Thanks @Nexus18 :p

You're welcome :D

Was also looking to buy the Oled C7 for £1349 and use it for my PC with the 120hz @ 1080p...for gaming..... But then I read about the HDMI 2.1 that can do 120hz@4k with dynamic HDR, low input lag, and VRR which is basically gsync/free sync for tvs... And thought I would wait till the Jan CES to see what's announced From LG.... Only problem will be we would need graphics card's that are HDMI 2.1 https://media.giphy.com/media/k61nOBRRBMxva/giphy.gif

Yeah it is definitely worth waiting to see what the next lot of TVs are like if you don't mind paying more than £1500 or waiting longer for the prices to drop again. Personally I didn't want to be potentially waiting for another year so just jumped on the deal.

If TVs next year get HDMI 2.1 then as far as I am concerned, that is the final nail in the coffin for monitors.

But yeah I know your pain, I need to upgrade my damn 290 to get even 4k @ 60hz AND HDR!!!! :p Hopefully nvidia's next cards will have the 2.1 port, I suspect navi from amd will have it but that probably won't be here until October/November......
 
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