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F.A.O Mr easyrider
Hello easyrider . . . I'm hoping to engage the positive side of your personality here and would remind you it's Friday, the weeks work is done and it's time for a cold beer and to relax with your forum buddies . . . I fear you may not be in the best of moods but it would be great if we could chat as normal people without any agro . . .I don't want to fight, I don't want any form of conflict that cannot be *logically* resolved!
if you are able to demonstrate something logically then I'm keen to learn but alas if you release the
Black Troll into these forums I won't be impressed, nor will anyone else . . .
I would also like to inform you that I intend to become more and more pro-active in these forums and am considering stepping up to become a Don, of course the role of a Don is to Moderate discussions before they become heated and turn more into flame wars than intelligent debate and discussion.
I would like to extend the olive branch to you and say that if I have said or done anything in the past to offend or upset you then I apologize . . . I hope you can find it in your heart to accept this apology . . . I am only a normal human being and have character flaws and also have bad days but I have been working on this and think I am moving in the right direction. I really don't want any uneeded conflict and I'm only here to share information and ideas and learn!
My ideas for the forums are with the help of the many gifted members we have turn OcUK forums into the worlds #1 resource for technology, a
Technical-Mecca if you will. If you know anything about Mecca then you will know only certain people are allowed to enter . . .
I'm merely stating that i3 is faster at the same cost
Ok, well on the surface I want to be excited but something is holding me back? . . . I guess the reason for this is your statement is what is known as a Logical Fallacy, specifically
Argumentum ad ignorantiam . .
"This is the fallacy of assuming something is true simply because it hasn't been proven false"
The *only* way we can work out if you statement is really fallacious or not depends crucially upon the burden of proof . . .
What you must do is create a thread similar to what I have done here and begin amassing as much data as possible on the performance figures of the Intel® Core™ i3 and do your very best to *demonstrate* it is the superior hardware, we have lots of useful forum members here that can help you and you would be doing us all a great favour . . .
By amassing this pool of data together you will be providing the proof but sadly the burden lay with you as you are the one making the claim. This is not a trick . . . If you can show us that the
Intel® Core™ i3 is a demonstrably and consistently better performer than the
AMD® Athlon™ II I and many other forum users will shower you with admiration because you would be saving us buying the wrong hardware
Now the cost thing £££ . . . well that's gonna take a lot more work to get you dealing figures that relate to the outside world but I'm confident we can get there!
Its mid range tat for skint people
Well that's nothing more than a subjective and obtuse statement, it's wasted on me but I'm sure a lot of people won't see this in a favourable light!
and only serves to alienate you and make the forums look bad! . . . you want to be loved and not hated right?
I can help you easyrider but you gonna have to begin having some self-respect, only once this is achieved can you begin to respect others . . .
You haven't even posted in my Fritz Chessmark bench thread that I started and welcomed people with all cpu's.
Guess why I wonder? Fear of showing how " run of the mill" your hardware actually is?
i3 is dual core and beats wayne's true triple core in the multithreaded bench Fritz Chess.
If you are a teenager I can understand why you would write such things but if your a mature adult then there is a lot of scope for improvement here. Whatever you think about me or why I do things I can assure you that it's wrong, you got me dead wrong hehe!
Now going back to the talk of OcUk forums becoming a possible Technical Mecca I can inform you that this style of posting will not be suitable. It does not demonstrate or give the right impression of these forums that we all love so hopefully if we begin to co-operate better this will no longer happen. I know your keen to prove yourself as a technical guru and I think if we can *unleash* you in the right way you will be a much loved guy on these forums!
I understand a lot about you having engaged you many times over the years and I know you get *super dooper* frustrated when people don’t heed your advice, hopefully if you begin to construct informative threads with **** loads of data we will not be in any doubt over which hardware is better for our needs!
Now, in response to your statement above, I did post in your first thread (
AMD® Athlon™ II X4 620 vs Intel® Core™ i3) although I only have a triple-core, I did submit a test result for your consideration but you didn't appear to like what you saw?
Please remember I am not a processor . . . I am a human being playing with the processor, I am sharing my findings and doing my bit for the forums so that people do not have to go outside, everything we need to know should be hear, no bull, no advertising related bias, just cold hard truth, tested by an OcUK overclocker (that’s us btw)
I'm not a Fan-Boy . . . I'm a Fan-Man!
. . . the difference is I am guided by logic and have no bias . . . I am promoting AMD as I think they are extremely good products for an affordable price . . .
Intel® Core™ i3 results by OcUK Top-Gun Topitoff
After you saw this result you went off and created another thread but this time you asked for both Fritz and Super-Pi because you knew the
AMD® Athlon™ II *sucked* in Super-PI and you wanted to make it look bad (stacking the deck in your favour hehe) . . . as from your first thread with Fritz alone it looked pretty good actually, especially considering I only had a
AMD® Athlon™ II X3 425/DDR2. If that had been a quad-core I think it could have bested the Intel® Core™ i3 . . . even with the
AMD® Athlon™ II X4 620 at 3.6GHz
Now I understand what Fritz does as I used to be a Chess Player, but I'm not sure what Super-PI represents? (Real-World?) . . . I do know that it works better on processors that feature lots of cache but sadly the chip I am using only has 512Kb cache per core so super-PI is not great. I don't work with many programs that would fit into any amount of cache . . . anyway the point here is we all have to do our level best to show the hardware in as true a light as possible, not
Skew the results out of pride/ego etc . . . neither of us want anyone to buy pants hardware right? . . . if we all can work together the end results would be better . . . if you like the competition then we can have friendly in-house benchwars but it's for fun, not war . .
Once we can unite all the overclockers and get to know everything about all hardware then we can begin to compete with other forums around the world, we can challenge XS to a benchwar etc . . . we can even develop our gaming community and begin to enter members into online gaming championships etc . . . if we all can just get along better and learn to co-operate then it's nothing short of digital World-Domination, benchmark championships, gaming championships, endorsements from the various hardware manufactures, chicks, beer and £££ $$$$, maybe even free pizza!
Its so obvious which is the superior hardware but some seem to not care and allow brand loyalty to blur their vision.
Well I do believe you have that entirely wrong, I have been looking into it for a while and I'm not sure what you are saying is in anyway based on fact? . . . please make a new dedicated thread and I'll help you out, I'm trying to lay my hands on an
Athlon™ II X4 620 for testing purposes so between the group we will be able to determine which is the more suitable product or at least work out each processors strength and weaknesses etc . . .
I will always buy the best performing hardware within my price range however I am sure there are some people that will buy something out of pure brand loyalty but at the moment that ain't me! . . . even if people do this mate your gonna have to let it be, all you can do is tell them what you think and show them the massive amount of proof (from your thread) and the rest is up to them
I know how things have been in the past, but I here now to tell you how they are going to be in the future, if you want to be a part of it then you know what you need to do!
Your friend & foe (but wanting to be your friend)
Wayne
P.S: Still waiting for my beer!
