5700X3D and AM4 pricing

[MyBrainz]

Pulled the trigger (again ) on the 5700X3D. This swung it for me, particularly the temps and power consumption compared to its bigger brother

That 5800X3D is NOT tuned right, way too hot and clocks could be better. My own 5800X3D doesnt even hit those temps while using it for x264 Medium encoding in OBS, never sees over 70c, my clocks are usually constant 4450Mhz too. In games it rarely sees over 64c.

Mine is using Kombo Strike 3 (MSI's -30 curve optimiser) with a -0.100v Offset.

I wouldnt make a decision from one video.

5700X3D is decent though as it isnt behind by too much

Btw, came from a 5700X to this 5800X3D and saw a 'notable' improvement with the 3060Ti.

 

[Darujhistan]

I felt ready to pull the trigger on this, but seeing it's only 12% cheaper than the best 5800X3D deal is throwing a spanner in the works.

I went for a 5700X last year back when the 5800X3D was double the cost of it. I felt I made the right choice at the time, especially with my relatively weak cooler. Surprised to see the 5800X3D so competitively priced now, to the point it's making the newly launched 5700X3D almost unjustifiable to purchase.

I'm wondering if AMD is absolute awash with these AM4 X3D chips and the prices can only continue to fall, especially the 5700X3D in order to get some distance from the 5800X3D.

On the other hand the 5700X / 5800X pricing is remaining weirdly high.

I'd be waiting for AM6 if I were you.

 

[Aretak]

It was collected by DHL earlier today actually and is on its way to the Netherlands. AMD provided a prepaid label and a link to arrange a collection after a few questions about the troubleshooting I'd performed, so it's been a fairly smooth process so far. Hopefully it'll all work out.

Well, just to follow up on this, I'm quite impressed with AMD's RMA service. It was delivered to them on Friday, I received a confirmation it'd been received on Monday, another email to say the replacement had been approved yesterday and about half an hour ago a shiny new 5800X3D was delivered to my door. Only six days total turnaround, including a full weekend. Next day delivery in both cases from DHL, from the UK to the Netherlands (via Belgium) and back again. It's also a brand new retail boxed CPU, despite them only wanting the CPU in its plastic clamshell back from me.

Sucks to have a CPU die in the first place of course, but I can't complain about the RMA experience. It couldn't really have been any more efficient.

 

[jigger]

I'd be waiting for AM6 if I were you.

DDR6 is a very long way off.

 

[Darujhistan]

DDR6 is a very long way off.

AM4 is still going to be very viabe for gaming until then though.

 

[jigger]

AM4 is still going to be very viabe for gaming until then though.

Not sure. The pace of development is currently pretty rapid.

 

[Emlyn_Dewar]

AM4 will easily manage for a few years. The only people who might disagree are people trying to sell you something.

 

[Darujhistan]

Not sure. The pace of development is currently pretty rapid.

I'll be amazed if anything AM4 with 8 cores is rendered obsolete in the next 3-5 years.

 

[jigger]

I'll be amazed if anything AM4 with 8 cores is rendered obsolete in the next 3-5 years.

I wouldn’t TBH.

 

[welshrat]

Honestly AM4 will be fine until at least the new gen of consoles (3 - 4 years), unless you are chasing ridiculous FPS I cannot see there being much change.

 

[Rob_B]

AMD 3000 series/Intel 10th gen released 2019/2020 and are still very relevant, not top end. Are we expecting any leaps in required performance over the next few years? If not then I think AM4 with 5000 series will be around in 4yrs time at the lower end.

 

[jigger]

AMD 3000 series/Intel 10th gen released 2019/2020 and are still very relevant, not top end. Are we expecting any leaps in required performance over the next few years? If not then I think AM4 with 5000 series will be around in 4yrs time at the lower end.

Honestly not sure. 16c 32t CCD’s will be with us, console development is moving at pace and AMD seem unrelenting. DDR6 is a very long way off indeed, ever further off for the mainstream DIY console market.

How competitive is a DDR3 system compared to a DDR5 system today? i7 4770k vs 7950X3D say.

 

[Rob_B]

How competitive is a DDR3 system compared to a DDR5 system today? i7 4770k vs 7950X3D say.

I mean, we know the answer...not very!

But this will be DDR4 vs DDR5 and a (currently top end AM4) 5800X3D is sort of equivalent to a 7600, so will a 7600 be obsolete in 3/4/5 years? I don't think it will.

There are loads of people, today, happily gaming/using 1000/2000 series AM4 chips. Tech enthusiasts, yeah we probably won't be on AM4 in 2028 but that doesn't mean there won't still be a huge chunk of the 'market' (can I call it that?) that will be on older chips.

I'm running a 5600, a slower version of the 5600X released in 2020 which to this day is good enough for many of people who aren't spending £1,000 on a higher end GPU

 

[KompuKare]

Honestly not sure. 16c 32t CCD’s will be with us, console development is moving at pace and AMD seem unrelenting. DDR6 is a very long way off indeed, ever further off for the mainstream DIY console market.

How competitive is a DDR3 system compared to a DDR5 system today? i7 4770k vs 7950X3D say.

A fairer comparison would surely be i7-5775C vs a 7950X3D.
Then at least both parts are doing something clever with cache rather than brute-forcing things.
Broadwell was such a low profile launch on desktop that it has been mostly forgotten, though.

 

[jigger]

I mean, we know the answer...not very!

But this will be DDR4 vs DDR5 and a (currently top end AM4) 5800X3D is sort of equivalent to a 7600, so will a 7600 be obsolete in 3/4/5 years? I don't think it will.

There are loads of people, today, happily gaming/using 1000/2000 series AM4 chips. Tech enthusiasts, yeah we probably won't be on AM4 in 2028 but that doesn't mean there won't still be a huge chunk of the 'market' (can I call it that?) that will be on older chips.

I'm running a 5600, a slower version of the 5600X released in 2020 which to this day is good enough for many of people who aren't spending £1,000 on a higher end GPU

I don’t know, all I do know is CPU hardware is rapidly progressing and DDR5 is its infancy. It seem really unlikely AM4 be competitive by the time we move to AM6. AM6 isn’t even pie in the sky.

 

[jigger]

A fairer comparison would surely be i7-5775C vs a 7950X3D.
Then at least both parts are doing something clever with cache rather than brute-forcing things.
Broadwell was such a low profile launch on desktop that it has been mostly forgotten, though.

I haven’t, I always felt Broadwell had some interesting aspects.

 

[Vexr]

For anyone interested, I took a snapshot of my 5700X versus my 5700X3D in the games I had installed. This is extremely unscientific and at 3440x1440 resolution @ around ultra (so generally expected to be GPU limited). I don't even have MSI afterburner set to show 1% / 0.1% lows, just averages. Here are the findings anyway:

Cyberpunk in a high population area:

Cyberpunk in built benchmark:

Rise of the Tomb Raider in built benchmark:

Shadow of the Tomb Raider in built benchmark:

The Last Of Us Part 1 - latest save where I was noticing an annoying FPS drop entering an NPC filled area:

Cinebench after 5 mins:

These are some extremely weird results. Largely they point to the 5700X3D not being done justice by the synthetic benchmarks on this instance.

ROTTR was notable in that at the beginning of Geothermal Valley there was no judder / single frame stutter, which has always happened on all the processors previously I've tested that with (FX-8350, Ryzen 2700, and Ryzen 5700X)

Temperature results are also very strange. I set my fan curves to the same for the 5700X and 5700X3D. I must admit, I suspect I've used different thermal paste though (I think I used Artic Silver for the 5700X, but used a Thermal Right paste for the 5700X3D).

The 5700X3D goes thermonuclear in Cinebench (hits 70C where all my fan curves are set to really ramp up) compared with the 5700X, yet it's opposite in games, with the 5700X3D being cooler and consuming less wattage than the 5700X.

Weird findings. Sure I'll get a better feel for the difference as I go.

 

[Removed User 345456]

That looks incredibly disappointing, I don't know if I'll even bother eventually chucked a 5800X3D in next year over my 5700X, as it's not going to be 'that much' better than this 5700X3D
I only planned on doing it so I could chuck the 5700X into my 2nd machine a MITX, as it'd run nice and cool/quiet versus a 5800X/X3D... But I don't 'need' to upgrade either tbf, I just like giving the 2nd rig free upgrades, and makes wasting spending money easier

Hang on, the 5700X3D is 3GHz/4.1Turbo vs the 5700X 3.4GHz/4.6GHz why do they does this? Bit scummy

Wonder if I'll bother with a 5800X3D now, the 4070 is always at 96-100% so there doesn't seem to be a bottleneck, and everything I use it for is SP via tv/controller and easily plays anything at 4K dlss 60 capped for the 4k60 tv.

 

[Rob_B]

Heat, stacked memory makes it harder to remove heat from the chip, also why they stopped overclocking on them.

 

[Wing-Man]

Wonder if I'll bother with a 5800X3D now, the 4070 is always at 96-100% so there doesn't seem to be a bottleneck, and everything I use it for is SP via tv/controller and easily plays anything at 4K dlss 60 capped for the 4k60 tv.

its not just about a bottleneck. in games where i had no bottleneck i still got a good gain in FPS