5700XT Hitting 2.3GHz+ - TomsHW-DE

[nhornby51743]

2080S has already $700 listing on NV shop. Don't expect it anywhere near lower than £700 in UK,

I'm wondering whether they could just update afterburner to enable higher frequency overclocks, or if a driver update will enable higher freqs in the next few weeks or so. With Fiji and Vega, some cards couldn't OC much until driver and overclocking software updates were made. Technically if it was completely locked in the bios, it shouldn't be able to go over that frequency no matter what you change in the OS.

I don't believe AMD would have much of a reason to just hold back the clocks. They didn't do so in the past when the lower SKUs were able to OC to the perf level of the higher SKUs. 290/390 was able to OC to 290X/390X perf levels, Fury was able to OC to Fury X perf levels and Vega 56 was able to get to Vega 64 levels with an OC, even with a locked BIOS. Holding back the clocks wouldn't make much sense since they would want to sell as many of these as possible to take away marketshare from Nvidia. Their Navi strategy is similar to their Ryzen strategy which included selling all CPUs unlocked.

And do not speculate about 2080S performance. The gap between 2080 and 2080Ti is vast. A 10% increase doesn't get it nowhere near 2080Ti.

2080S has already $700 listing on NV shop. Don't expect it anywhere near lower than £700 in UK, and 2080 is EOL.



And do not speculate about 2080S performance. The gap between 2080 and 2080Ti is vast. A 10% increase doesn't get it nowhere near 2080Ti.

2080S has already $700 listing on NV shop. Don't expect it anywhere near lower than £700 in UK, and 2080 is EOL.



And do not speculate about 2080S performance. The gap between 2080 and 2080Ti is vast. A 10% increase doesn't get it nowhere near 2080Ti.

Yup, definitely not available for anywhere under £700 in the UK

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/kfa2...ddr6-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-0a7-kf.html

And OC are never the cheapest, so £650 seems accurate.

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I know not everyone could get that discounted price, but still it goes to show how cheap a 2080 can be had for, and that's before the 2080S has dropped.


Also, not sure where you pulled 10% from. Leaks, which have turned out to be accurate for the other 'Super' variants, indicate performance is pretty much on par with the 2080Ti

As for the 'do not speculate'.....there sure are a lot of rude people on here. Normally have tens of thousands of posts, long-time forum members with an elitist attitude.

 

[tyler_jrb]

Yup, definitely not available for anywhere under £700 in the UK

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/kfa2...ddr6-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-0a7-kf.html

And OC are never the cheapest, so £650 seems accurate.

The 2080 is down to it comes down to £550. I know not everyone could get that discounted price, but still it goes to show how cheap a 2080 can be had for, and that's before the 2080S has dropped.


Also, not sure where you pulled 10% from. Leaks, which have turned out to be accurate for the other 'Super' variants, indicate performance is pretty much on par with the 2080Ti

As for the 'do not speculate'.....there sure are a lot of rude people on here. Normally have tens of thousands of posts, long-time forum members with an elitist attitude.

The Ti still has 40% odd more cuda cores, a larger memory bus, other things such as more ROP's + TMU's etc to play with over the 2080S. Its still a good 30%+ faster, especially at 4k.

 

[Panos]

@nhornby51743 yet you come to a discussion about 5700XT overclocking another place to argue about Nvidia and AMD.

 

[oweneades]

How on earth could a 2080S with its 3072 Cuda cores (up from 2944) get anywhere close to a 2080Ti without extreme clocks / cooling?!

I have been messing around with my wife's 2080 and even at 2ghz core it won't be anywhere near a 2080Ti (feels a little faster than my 1080Ti at 2ghz core but that could be placebo - need to properly test).

So very tempted to also pick up a 5700XT to mess around with.

 

[Marine-RX179]

How on earth could a 2080S with its 3072 Cuda cores (up from 2944) get anywhere close to a 2080Ti without extreme clocks / cooling?!

I have been messing around with my wife's 2080 and even at 2ghz core it won't be anywhere near a 2080Ti (feels a little faster than my 1080Ti at 2ghz core but that could be placebo - need to properly test).

It's not going to, unless the 2080S also chip get changed from the TU104 to TU102 (the chip that the 2080ti uses) and with the core counts not too far behind.

 

[Grim5]

How on earth could a 2080S with its 3072 Cuda cores (up from 2944) get anywhere close to a 2080Ti without extreme clocks / cooling?!

I have been messing around with my wife's 2080 and even at 2ghz core it won't be anywhere near a 2080Ti (feels a little faster than my 1080Ti at 2ghz core but that could be placebo - need to properly test).

So very tempted to also pick up a 5700XT to mess around with.

If I assume everything is a linear scale then I can estimate what clocks it would need (in a perfect world)

Given the large difference in cores - to get anywhere close to matching a stock 2080ti, the 2080s would need to be running at about 2400mhz - which we all know isn’t going to happen

 

[Panos]

@nhornby51743 because we can speculate properly if we base our findings on real data and not pull numbers out of the hat as you have done. Even my 10% uplift was twice as much as the 2080S would offer.

According to Nvidia
2080S - 3072 Cores, 63T RTX OPS, 8 Gigarays, 1815 boost / 1650 base, 15.5 Gbps VRAM, 250W TDP
Compared to
2080FE - 2944 Cores, 60T RTX OPS, 8 Gigarays, 1800(OC) /1550 base, 14 Gbps VRAM, 225W TDP
2080Ti (FE) - 4352 Cores, 78T RTC OPS, 10 Gigarays, 1635(OC) /1350 base, 14 Gbps VRAM, 260W TDP.

So the 2080S is a 5% uplift from 2080FE. Nowhere near the 30%+ needed to go near the 2080Ti. And nowhere near the 10% I said previously and you attacked me.

And is 5% only because
a) you see the RTX ops count is 5% up only, and Gigarays haven't moved
b) you combine the 4.3% more cores, 10% faster VRAM and 1% higher clocks result to around ~5% uplift.

And for that you pay a minimum 10% more power consumption.

 

[Gibbo]

2080S will perform upto 10% faster than a 2080 when both cards overclocker due to better memory, better power limit and slightly more cores and price wise they both cost about the same so your getting a 10% faster card for essentially very similar money. A stock 2080Ti will still have a substantial lead and then overclock the Ti and the Super has no hope!

As 2080 sells ok, 2080 Super shall sell even better as at £669 it is a good card those moaning about £799 about special OC editions is getting rather tiring, high end flagship models always cost more, it is the same with all things in life there are 2080 regulars costing over £800, Super shall be no different!

The sweet spot is 2070 Super at £475-£550 or just jump to a 2080Ti for a grand or bag a 5700XT for under £400 or a Vega56 around £250 there is ample performance on offer in each price bracket as a Vega 56 can play any game at 1440P let alone 1080P.

 

[nhornby51743]

@nhornby51743 yet you come to a discussion about 5700XT overclocking another place to argue about Nvidia and AMD.

Not arguing. People saying that 5700XT is near 2080 performance, so I threw I'm my two cents....it is a forum, afterall.

 

[nhornby51743]

2080S will perform upto 10% faster than a 2080 when both cards overclocker due to better memory, better power limit and slightly more cores and price wise they both cost about the same so your getting a 10% faster card for essentially very similar money. A stock 2080Ti will still have a substantial lead and then overclock the Ti and the Super has no hope!

As 2080 sells ok, 2080 Super shall sell even better as at £669 it is a good card those moaning about £799 about special OC editions is getting rather tiring, high end flagship models always cost more, it is the same with all things in life there are 2080 regulars costing over £800, Super shall be no different!

The sweet spot is 2070 Super at £475-£550 or just jump to a 2080Ti for a grand or bag a 5700XT for under £400 or a Vega56 around £250 there is ample performance on offer in each price bracket as a Vega 56 can play any game at 1440P let alone 1080P.

Is this 10% going off testing that's been done, or is it speculative? The leaks so far have been spot on, so I'm inclined to these believe over naysayers, or is it a case of you've tested them, but cannot discuss due to NDA?

 

[nhornby51743]

@nhornby51743 because we can speculate properly if we base our findings on real data and not pull numbers out of the hat as you have done. Even my 10% uplift was twice as much as the 2080S would offer.

According to Nvidia
2080S - 3072 Cores, 63T RTX OPS, 8 Gigarays, 1815 boost / 1650 base, 15.5 Gbps VRAM, 250W TDP
Compared to
2080FE - 2944 Cores, 60T RTX OPS, 8 Gigarays, 1800(OC) /1550 base, 14 Gbps VRAM, 225W TDP
2080Ti (FE) - 4352 Cores, 78T RTC OPS, 10 Gigarays, 1635(OC) /1350 base, 14 Gbps VRAM, 260W TDP.

So the 2080S is a 5% uplift from 2080FE. Nowhere near the 30%+ needed to go near the 2080Ti. And nowhere near the 10% I said previously and you attacked me.

And is 5% only because
a) you see the RTX ops count is 5% up only, and Gigarays haven't moved
b) you combine the 4.3% more cores, 10% faster VRAM and 1% higher clocks result to around ~5% uplift.

And for that you pay a minimum 10% more power consumption.

'Real data'....love it.

NDA should hopefully lift around 16th, so I'll either come back and say you were right, or I'll come back, and no doubt people would still make excuses.


Not to digress, but, there was a post on Ryzen pages where a lad had commented about waiting to see, and he was heckled by people saying that Ryzen was going to destroy Intel in gaming, and when that didn't happen, they were still di**s to the guy. I know that's not relevant really to this, although it's indicative of the attitudes that you see on here.

 

[Panos]

'Real data'....love it.

NDA should hopefully lift around 16th, so I'll either come back and say you were right, or I'll come back, and no doubt people would still make excuses.


Not to digress, but, there was a post on Ryzen pages where a lad had commented about waiting to see, and he was heckled by people saying that Ryzen was going to destroy Intel in gaming, and when that didn't happen, they were still di**s to the guy. I know that's not relevant really to this, although it's indicative of the attitudes that you see on here.

Go to NVidia's website the numbers are there for the 2080S

 

[nhornby51743]

Go to NVidia's website the numbers are there for the 2080S

I've seen the numbers......which were on those leaks, which turned out to be accurate for the 2060s and 2070s.

We'll soon see, if it turns out 10%, that will look to be a hard sell over the 2070s.

 

[BigBANGtheory]

So basically Nvidia protecting the price/perf ceiling of the 2080Ti rather than challenging it. Predictable but disappointing for gamers roll on next year....

 

[Mauller]

So according to TomsHW-US, The watercooling wasn't really necessary to hit those clock speeds that igor achieved.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-radeon-5700-xt-overclocked,39916.html

 

[Martini1991]

Didn't Igor "only" actually hit 2.2 stable?

 

[Mauller]

Didn't Igor "only" actually hit 2.2 stable?

i believe so, i think i just put a 3 instead of a 2 in the title, lol.

 

[LeMson]

i believe so, i think i just put a 3 instead of a 2 in the title, lol.

Or rounding up