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5900x or 5800x for gaming?

RBImGuy said:
5600x will be the processor with the upcoming 5600 people buy to game.
as they done with the 3600. (I did)
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Your post doesn't make much sense the way it's written.

Anyway, my point was that comparing the 3800X with the 5800X is a bit off because only the 5800X has a unified CCX.
 
amd7674 said:
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aio h100i platinum, x570 tomahawk, 32gb corsair dominator RAM, seasonic focus 850w psu, Lian Li lancool mesh rgb case, 3080 GPus.
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that is a lot of RGB, are you sure your kids will go to bed after being lit up by all of these :D

tho just in time to make the case compete with your decorated Christmas’s tree right
 
Mr Oblong said:
Your post doesn't make much sense the way it's written.

Anyway, my point was that comparing the 3800X with the 5800X is a bit off because only the 5800X has a unified CCX.
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5600x is on a single CCX as well. Anything less than 8 cores are on a single CCX. Technically there is shouldn’t be anything in it between 5600x and 5800x bar the cache and boosts clocks etc s.
 
pc-guy said:
5600x is on a single CCX as well. Anything less than 8 cores are on a single CCX. Technically there is shouldn’t be anything in it between 5600x and 5800x bar the cache and boosts clocks etc s.
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Only the 5800X out of the two cards I mentioned.

Read the actual conversation to get the context.
 
Reigniting this convo. I know mostly the convo is 'in a standard game which one is better' but if we talk NPC heavy games like Watch Dogs Legion or Assassin's Creed Odyssey and presumably soon Valhalla where even in 4k with a 3080 you can still find yourself CPU limited - then what's the answer?

Hard to find anything definitive on this.
 
pc-guy said:
that is a lot of RGB, are you sure your kids will go to bed after being lit up by all of these :D

tho just in time to make the case compete with your decorated Christmas’s tree right
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So true :p Good thing you can set many profiles, but damn they look very nice.

BTW.. I almost finished two builds, the lian li cases were very easy to work with. Hopefully I can buy two 5900x on Thursday to complete the builds.
I still have the film on glass doors, and the static picture doesn't justify corsair lights :)

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clv101 said:
If you're only interested in games, I think this is a mistake. Anything above a 5600X is likely to offer very little (nothing noticeable?) in games for hundreds of pounds more.
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If this is the case why did AMD show the 5900 ands 5950x against the i9 10900k in gaming tests?

The fact those beat it was a big deal, if a CPU half the price of it beat it why didnt they show that? That would be massive news if so, and will save me a lot of money :)
 
jamman said:
If this is the case why did AMD show the 5900 ands 5950x against the i9 10900k in gaming tests?

The fact those beat it was a big deal, if a CPU half the price of it beat it why didnt they show that? That would be massive news if so, and will save me a lot of money :)
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Because the sales of the 5900/5950 would suffer for a start.
Its very likely, the 5800/5900/5950 will be 'better' than the 5600 in games. But for the price, its a few fps. If you look back at the 3xxx series, the 3950 beats all, but its sometimes only 3 fps more than the 3600.
A threadripper will probably beat all, doesnt mean its the best gaming cpu. There has to be something other than fps taken into the calculation as to which is the best.

Do you want 5%+ performance for 50%+ price? Or do you want 95% performance -50% price. I mean why stop at the 5900, why not get the 5950, as that will beat the 5950.
Everyone will weight these criteria differently, some will want best bang for buck, some will want the best no matter what.
 
Generally speaking the law of threading in software is 2 threads per core, mostly because any given thread probably isn't doing much most of the time. You'll be absolutely fine with a 5800X for gaming and streaming at the same time, and a 5600X would be spot on for a purely gaming machine.

A 5900X is getting into the realm of more specialist use, such as software development and virtualisation. For gaming it's overkill I'd say.
 
Rom said:
Because the sales of the 5900/5950 would suffer for a start.
Its very likely, the 5800/5900/5950 will be 'better' than the 5600 in games. But for the price, its a few fps. If you look back at the 3xxx series, the 3950 beats all, but its sometimes only 3 fps more than the 3600.
A threadripper will probably beat all, doesnt mean its the best gaming cpu. There has to be something other than fps taken into the calculation as to which is the best.

Do you want 5%+ performance for 50%+ price? Or do you want 95% performance -50% price. I mean why stop at the 5900, why not get the 5950, as that will beat the 5950.
Everyone will weight these criteria differently, some will want best bang for buck, some will want the best no matter what.
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True but if the prices actually hold, IMHO $100USD more for 4 cores is totally worth going 5900x over 5800x. However if there was a 5700x for $379USD coming out now (possibly coming out next Spring), the $170USD price difference would probably make my decision much harder to make. Honestly the best is either to go now for 5600x or 5900x; or WAIT till next year for 3600 or 5700x. Myself since I'm not planning to upgrade my kids PCs for next 5yrs or so, I want to buy the best I can afford.
 
Rom said:
Because the sales of the 5900/5950 would suffer for a start.
Its very likely, the 5800/5900/5950 will be 'better' than the 5600 in games. But for the price, its a few fps. If you look back at the 3xxx series, the 3950 beats all, but its sometimes only 3 fps more than the 3600.
A threadripper will probably beat all, doesnt mean its the best gaming cpu. There has to be something other than fps taken into the calculation as to which is the best.

Do you want 5%+ performance for 50%+ price? Or do you want 95% performance -50% price. I mean why stop at the 5900, why not get the 5950, as that will beat the 5950.
Everyone will weight these criteria differently, some will want best bang for buck, some will want the best no matter what.
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Still doesnt make sense a whole lot of sense to me.

The whole presentation was based on AMD is for gamers, surely "we can beat Intels £550 for £289 in gaming" would be a massive selling point.

If playing titles like FS2020 will be the same with a 5600 as an i9 Ill happily get one as dont do anything else overly demanding on my PC other than gaming., will see what the reviews show.
 
jamman said:
Still doesnt make sense a whole lot of sense to me.

The whole presentation was based on AMD is for gamers, surely "we can beat Intels £550 for £289 in gaming" would be a massive selling point.

If playing titles like FS2020 will be the same with a 5600 as an i9 Ill happily get one as dont do anything else overly demanding on my PC other than gaming., will see what the reviews show.
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They want to show the highest FPS possible so that the numbers compare with what the independent guys are doing with the 30X0 series cards. It might not be the best in terms of price to performance, but most people will look at the end number and not the bench setup.
 
Mesai said:
They want to show the highest FPS possible so that the numbers compare with what the independent guys are doing with the 30X0 series cards. It might not be the best in terms of price to performance, but most people will look at the end number and not the bench setup.
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Thats fine, but they showed examples from the 5950x, so they had already done their top end numbers. then the 5900x.

From a marketing standpoint once you've demonstrated your best it would then be awesome to show how you beat the competitions highest performer with your cheapest. Just sounds odd they didn't do that to me.
 
jamman said:
Thats fine, but they showed examples from the 5950x, so they had already done their top end numbers. then the 5900x.

From a marketing standpoint once you've demonstrated your best it would then be awesome to show how you beat the competitions highest performer with your cheapest. Just sounds odd they didn't do that to me.
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Fair, I think they'll leave that to the reviewers though especially with SAM in the picture, you have way more combinations to benchmark than before especially with availability being so poor, people are either going to wait for the best combo, or settle for what's in stock if the difference is minor.
 
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