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6870 is here! for £170, WTF?? HELP!!

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
The 1120 stream processor HD6870 is still better than both the 1600 stream processor HD5870 and the 1440 stream processor HD5850. The 960 stream processor HD6850 is better than the 1440 stream processor HD5850.
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After a year since the 5*** series and on the same process, I should hope so
 
Jesus does it never end????? All this tit for tat for what essentially boils down to is merely to play games! DOES IT ALL MATTER?!!!!

crackerbear said:
Hahah, I miss Opal Fruits. What kind of name is Starburst.
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I think you'll find "starburst" is just a marketing ploy to fool people into believing they are getting a nicer tasting product. I have it on good authority that under the name "opal fruit", they melted quicker in the mouth at a temp of 1 degree lower, therefore reaching the tastebuds 2 seconds quicker. However the new design of the "starburst" repackaging means the whole length is now a whole 1mm shorter. & I don't want to hear how they're too soft from the spangleboy camp.
 
tasslehoff said:
Jesus does it never end????? All this tit for tat for what essentially boils down to is merely to play games! DOES IT ALL MATTER?!!!!



I think you'll find "starburst" is just a marketing ploy to fool people into believing they are getting a nicer tasting product. I have it on good authority that under the name "opal fruit", they melted quicker in the mouth at a temp of 1 degree lower, therefore reaching the tastebuds 2 seconds quicker. However the new design of the "starburst" repackaging means the whole length is now a whole 1mm shorter. & I don't want to hear how they're too soft from the spangleboy camp.
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Double espresso in the morning is all I need. And a smoke. Oh, wait. You obviously didn't mean Starbucks, did you? :p
 
Mr Krugga said:
Double espresso in the morning is all I need. And a smoke. Oh, wait. You obviously didn't mean Starbucks, did you? :p
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I can see the confusion but they're both in a different league.....Starbucks is good for that adrenalin rush but starburst is better for folding. (at the edges).
 
Final8y said:
Just because one performed better than the other at a given task does not mean that the lesser was not designed for it its just not designed as well as another.
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Adding an "off-chip buffer" means that it was not designed for it and we all already know 5870 architecture is a few generations old anyway. If AMD were designing a brand new DX11 architecture today then tessellation would be an integral part of that design unlike their current cards where it is simply an afterthought.

The 6970 is looking likely to be just another tweaked 5870 on steroids with some off-die tessellation chip.

Final8y said:
NV cards don't have any hardware tessellation at all so that contradicts your statement.
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So you're saying it's done by CPU emulation? :o

The fact is they do it better which you would expect from an architecture designed with DX11 in mind.
 
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Let's just stop there for a moment. You say Fermi was desinged with DX11 in mind? Do you forget the fact that DX11 is what DX10 should have been, and it appears that's the direction that ATi went with the 2900? As has already been said, just because the Fermi GPUs cope with tessellation better doesn't mean the 5 and 6 series weren't designed with DX11 in mind. I don't understand how you've came to such a blunt conclusion. It's like saying because IPS monitors have better colour reproduction, that TN monitors weren't designed with "viewing" in mind.

Just because nVidia have a tessellation advantage, it doesn't mean that Fermis are any more DX11 inclined than Cyrpess and so on. Over the top tessellation is clearly not in AMD's design choices at the moment, where as nVidia are putting a lot of faith in it. Though I wonder if it's a coincidence that they've done so, with the way they have implemented tessellation, that they chose to purposefully because they knew it was the only advantage they could hold currently?
 
Not so amazing really when they weren't using all those 1600SP before to get that performance. By reducing the parts that weren't being used effectively they can free up space to be better used for more performance.
 
so your saying really they were using about 1280 of the 1600 then,, to account for the 10ish performance drop?

if true, makes sense. Anything to back that statemnt up?
 
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