Not sure if this is the same one, but I remember seeing about a similar one in the past where the pilot let his kid take control and the auto pilot also switched off like this and the pilot ended up being pinned due to the G force of the roll and could not recover. I thought it was a French flight but I can't seem to find it.
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Not sure if this is the same one, but I remember seeing about a similar one in the past where the pilot let his kid take control and the auto pilot also switched off like this and the pilot ended up being pinned due to the G force of the roll and could not recover. I thought it was a French flight but I can't seem to find it.
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The time it took to write that you could have just read the second sentence of the post you quoted and/or clicked the video link
Date/Time stamp in GMT/Zulu (although I don't know what the last 3 numbers after the decimal refer to), Aircraft Callsign, Latitude, Longitude, Altitude, Track over the ground, vertical speed.
Thank you. The heading (I believe is compass based and in degrees?) is all over the place. It could have been "spiralling" as it descended.
The airspeed is decreasing during the first 7000ft of altitude loss so potentially things were going as expected before an issue arose.
You areI'm not picking on you today, honest!
I was close enough for this, I always think in flight levels.
The time it took to write that you could have just read the second sentence of the post you quoted and/or clicked the video link
I read it all and watched the vid and didn't explain myself very well. What I mean is, having seen all of that, I still swear I heard of another one where the emphasis was on the pilot being pinned and unable to control the plane to the point where that was the cause of the crash. In the one above, they get back to their seats and have an attempt at correcting, make some mistakes (over corrections) and then almost regain control but crash. Maybe it was this one but I didn't know it was Russian. In conclusion...ignore my drivel.
Thank you to you and FBi7. And thank you for the altitude plot.
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Approx a minute and a half for the whole descent. Would expect some comms with air traffic control if it was an issue with the plane.
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Aviate, Navigate, Communicate, in that order. It's likely they had no time to communicate really
Aye, possibly ripped off by the forces.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...crash-boeing-737-latest-guangxi-b2040289.html
Better video here...^, lets hope the flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder are still in working condition to explain this mess and were active in flight, a total nosedive and was there even a mayday call to the ground before this issue happened ? Is there any evidence of an emergency over the air to the ground or other planes?
The tail section looks still there from what I can tell from the video and only seen planes nosedive like that in an accident when the tail section either fails off or the rudder jams, when they had issues with the rudder Jackscrew (rudder PCU) many years ago on these planes but need a better video really to see if it went rudder hard over.
yikes..
This issue here :- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_rudder_issues and here https://aviation.stackexchange.com/...alve-s-vulnerability-to-causing-uncommanded-r
Better video here...^, lets hope the flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder are still in working condition to explain this mess and were active in flight, a total nosedive and was there even a mayday call to the ground before this issue happened ? Is there any evidence of an emergency over the air to the ground or other planes?
The tail section looks still there from what I can tell from the video and only seen planes nosedive like that in an accident when the tail section either fails off or the rudder jams, when they had issues with the rudder Jackscrew (rudder PCU) many years ago on these planes but need a better video really to see if it went rudder hard over.
yikes..
This issue here :- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_rudder_issues and here https://aviation.stackexchange.com/...alve-s-vulnerability-to-causing-uncommanded-r
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I flew on 2 737-800s last week! Yikes.
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That's a bit dramatic. Do you have any idea how many safe flying hours the 737 fleet has? IIRC about 25% of all commercial passenger aircraft in the US are 737s!
RIP to the passengers and crew.
From the BBC article:
I hope that's a mistranslation because passenger aircraft actually glide quite well with no power. For example the Gimli Glider. Losing the stabiliser OTOH... And that video of the dive seems suspicious to me because it doesn't show the post-crash smoke plume and is not consistent with the alleged dashcam footage (which also down't show the smoke plume). However, I am not a pilot and it's 15 years since I last worked with them, so I'm not going to make any guesses.
From the BBC article:
I hope that's a mistranslation because passenger aircraft actually glide quite well with no power. For example the Gimli Glider. Losing the stabiliser OTOH... And that video of the dive seems suspicious to me because it doesn't show the post-crash smoke plume and is not consistent with the alleged dashcam footage (which also down't show the smoke plume). However, I am not a pilot and it's 15 years since I last worked with them, so I'm not going to make any guesses.
When I last flew in the states my flight from Lexington KY to O'hare Chicago IL via Delta Air Lines I was on a Douglas MD-90 and the pilot was in a rush, so he was gunning it. There had been delays at O'hare due to bad weather, and heavy snow, so we were sitting in a taxi way for over an hour. It was quite an uncomfortable flight and uncomfortable landing, but the pilot managed to get us just within a couple of minutes of the scheduled landing time in Chicago, which was amazing considering my connection was to London with about 45 minutes and the monorail was bust, so had to take a bus to get to the terminal as well as queue through TSA.
I wasn't on a 737 on the way back, but on an BA 777.
It may be dramatic, but another 737 has hit the ground nose first.