7700K @ 7GHz New WR!

8 Pack · 26 Dec 2016 at 00:37

Kabylake is fun to OC for sure and should be interesting to the enthusiasts here. Most users on here want that 5g CPU.

So many on here reading what reviewers who break NDA for a couple of clicks say instead of waiting for the product.

I don't really post scores anymore on HWbot (As of 18 months ago) I have too much other OC related things to do including professional and mainstream solutions as well as products to develop. I do still test on LN2 to push components to the next level. For launch I will show some Kabylake scores for marketing reasons and the fact I am assisting Intel with the launch event.

~>Dg<~ · 26 Dec 2016 at 00:42

ahha its like " yo you posting details about NDA on products.not cool

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if that is the case intel could be the ones who take pants down and smack bottoms. little bit troll thread though entertaining to read.

maybe thats why 8pack isnt saying much.are you still intel sponsered or tied to NDA ?

stephenb · 26 Dec 2016 at 01:31

8 Pack said:
Kabylake is fun to OC for sure and should be interesting to the enthusiasts here. Most users on here want that 5g CPU.....

+1 Hope you're working on some OC bundles for us

nashathedog · 26 Dec 2016 at 05:27

Mauller said:
The fastest overclock in the world was on a bulldozer part at 8.5Ghz.

And it was still slower than a stock clock i7

Participant · 26 Dec 2016 at 07:21

Dave2150 said:
I'm not sure why you quoted that post of mine, since it makes you look rather silly, as Kabylake is mostly only exciting for people who benchmark for a passion, or those chasing world records etc.

He quoted it because in it you stated that Kabylake is exactly the same CPU as Skylake barring clock, which is incorrect.

Funny watching 8pack get so upset by someone stating it wasn't truly a world record though. 'What's your best clock then' - come on, really? Isn't that a bit school playground?

Nickolp1974 · 26 Dec 2016 at 07:42

Dave2150 said:
I'm not sure why you quoted that post of mine, since it makes you look rather silly, as Kabylake is mostly only exciting for people who benchmark for a passion, or those chasing world records etc.

I still believe that for average joe, waiting for Zen or Coffeelake (mainstream 6 core's) is a better option, since Kabylake is very disappointing (it's Skylake +200Mhz, exactly the same architecture).

Merry Christmas

So for "average joe" why is the fastest gaming CPU disappointing?? There was only 1 bad thing about skylake and 99% of users will never get to experience the dreaded "CRACK!", hopefully this is resolved with Kaby. Memory tuning is great fun on Skylake and is said to get even better.

Which ever side you view, bencher or gamer, Kabylake will be the fastest solution available.

Silent_Scone · 26 Dec 2016 at 08:20

Dave2150 said:
I don't think you can compare yourself with 8pack there buddy. He belongs in an elite overclocking club, whereas you belong under a cold, damp bridge. 8pack is his own brand, is extremely well known, whereas your just a forum troll.

I'm not sure why you quoted that post of mine, since it makes you look rather silly, as Kabylake is mostly only exciting for people who benchmark for a passion, or those chasing world records etc.

I still believe that for average joe, waiting for Zen or Coffeelake (mainstream 6 core's) is a better option, since Kabylake is very disappointing (it's Skylake +200Mhz, exactly the same architecture).

Merry Christmas

The fact you can comment on something that's under an embargo without even using it yourself is pretty impressive. It's easy to pick sides in this case, you can be forgiven for thinking that. As per my signature

There are many reasons why Kaby is worthwhile, not only for extreme cooling. Those that actually take an interest in tuning their system for 24/7 stability to the best of it's ability, will find Kaby has some really great features in store depending on your personal preferences.

In other words, keep the speculation away from underneath my bridge until you know what is what for yourself

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Unfortunately the embargo hasn't lifted yet. Toms just decided they didn't care enough to honour it, so multiple other sites decided to follow. Including some extreme users apparently.

bru · 26 Dec 2016 at 12:32

Participant said:
Funny watching 8pack get so upset by someone stating it wasn't truly a world record though. 'What's your best clock then' - come on, really? Isn't that a bit school playground?

Well not really, imagine if you went up to Usain Bolt and told him, he's not the fasted man on earth, as Skydivers beat his 100m record all the time and then being surprised when he argues the point.

Jumper118 · 26 Dec 2016 at 12:37

This an actual overclocking discussion on ocuk :O this is a rare occurrence here

Nickolp1974 · 26 Dec 2016 at 12:57

Jumper118 said:
This an actual overclocking discussion on ocuk :O this is a rare occurrence here

Indeed but Nvidia ftw!

8 Pack · 26 Dec 2016 at 22:38

Actually Allen has no embargo covering retail hardware. His cpu is retail and his board z170 is retail also.

Dave2150 · 27 Dec 2016 at 00:17

Participant said:
He quoted it because in it you stated that Kabylake is exactly the same CPU as Skylake barring clock, which is incorrect.

I stated that because Kabylake is identical to Skylake, architecture wise. The CPU cores are identical, exact clones of each other (hence 0 IPC increase, that's right, absolutely no IPC increase, not even the 5% we're used to).

The only changes are as follows:

1. The 14nm process has been improved (it's called 14nm+ now). This seems to allow 100-200Mhz additional overclock on average, judging from people who've already bought 7700k's (yes, they are already on sale around the world, hence the multitude of owners posting their findings on the Anandtech forums and others).

2. The IGU got a media engine upgrade, allowing it to playback protected 4k content on netflix.

Perhaps this sounds exciting to you, but for average joe, it's not exciting, it's the exact same CPU cores as Skylake, no IPC improvement, just slightly higher clocks.

As I've said before, for people passionate about benchmarking or those chasing world records, they'll get excited about a 1Mhz clock rate increase, so Kabylake will be great for that crowd. The rest of us are best off waiting to see what Zen is like, what it does to the market prices etc.

Silent_Scone said:
The fact you can comment on something that's under an embargo without even using it yourself is pretty impressive. It's easy to pick sides in this case, you can be forgiven for thinking that. As per my signature

There are many reasons why Kaby is worthwhile, not only for extreme cooling. Those that actually take an interest in tuning their system for 24/7 stability to the best of it's ability, will find Kaby has some really great features in store depending on your personal preferences.

In other words, keep the speculation away from underneath my bridge until you know what is what for yourself .

Unfortunately the embargo hasn't lifted yet. Toms just decided they didn't care enough to honour it, so multiple other sites decided to follow. Including some extreme users apparently.

Time to wake up - people are buying 7700k's already, since they are already for sale in multiple places around the world. We had many results from end users, who've even delidded their CPU's to test the overclockability of these chips etc.

There is no great mystery, we've known for months that Kabylake is architecturally identical to Skylake, hence 0 IPC increase and just a few hundred Mhz clock rate increase. Yawn.

Silent_Scone · 27 Dec 2016 at 08:38

Dave2150 said:
Time to wake up - people are buying 7700k's already, since they are already for sale in multiple places around the world. We had many results from end users, who've even delidded their CPU's to test the overclockability of these chips etc.

There is no great mystery, we've known for months that Kabylake is architecturally identical to Skylake, hence 0 IPC increase and just a few hundred Mhz clock rate increase. Yawn.

So you know what features I'm speaking about? Of course you don't. Dave, I'd stop. Kabylake is being co-birthed with a barrage of motherboards. Most users (not benchmarkers) looking to upgrade their systems will be looking to purchase these things hand in hand. There are some great additions that will benefit most Joe(y)s like yourself that have been added over both Skylake, BWE and in some cases simply over Z170 offerings. Even to the lesser experienced users, opting for a processor that will do the numbers even on air, is something that can't be ignored.

As Ian has said, if all you're doing is mouth breathing across reviewers who jumped the gun to get some limelight - then you're not getting the full story. There's a lot they've not tried yet, or yet to mention.

It's easy to yawn when you don't know all the facts. Nobody is trying to say Kaby is the best thing since sliced bread, but it's certainly interesting to those that have a certain level of appreciation, or those looking to upgrade. I think there's only one bridge here, as you've proven in the past.

RavenXXX2 · 27 Dec 2016 at 09:15

Oh please. Kaby is nothing more than another needless Intel cash cow because they aint got out else to push out. Tell me what great features the new chipset brings that average Joe will rush out to buy, I'm waiting.

Silent_Scone · 27 Dec 2016 at 09:30

RavenXXX2 said:
Oh please. Kaby is nothing more than another needless Intel cash cow because they aint got out else to push out. Tell me what great features the new chipset brings that average Joe will rush out to buy, I'm waiting.

Didn't even need to mention the IMC improvements, either.

But then only true enthusiasts would care about those, not many of those on this forum these days.

It's not the chipset itself that is inducting most of them, so you can put your pitchfork down lol.

RavenXXX2 · 27 Dec 2016 at 10:37

Two cores disabled, congratulations on the equivalent of an i3 running at 7Ghz, impressive.

Jumper118 · 27 Dec 2016 at 11:57

RavenXXX2 said:
Two cores disabled, congratulations on the equivalent of an i3 running at 7Ghz, impressive.

It is impressive for a random sample.

SiDeards73 · 27 Dec 2016 at 13:08

Silent_Scone said:
Didn't even need to mention the IMC improvements, either.

But then only true enthusiasts would care about those, not many of those on this forum these days.

It's not the chipset itself that is inducting most of them, so you can put your pitchfork down lol.

You seem to be running out of Straws, don't worry lots of places sell them.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 27 Dec 2016 at 13:43

I like the nice overclock figure a 7GHZ Core i7 7700K!!

Dave2150 · 27 Dec 2016 at 16:04

Silent_Scone said:
So you know what features I'm speaking about? Of course you don't. Dave, I'd stop. Kabylake is being co-birthed with a barrage of motherboards. Most users (not benchmarkers) looking to upgrade their systems will be looking to purchase these things hand in hand. There are some great additions that will benefit most Joe(y)s like yourself that have been added over both Skylake, BWE and in some cases simply over Z170 offerings. Even to the lesser experienced users, opting for a processor that will do the numbers even on air, is something that can't be ignored.

As Ian has said, if all you're doing is mouth breathing across reviewers who jumped the gun to get some limelight - then you're not getting the full story. There's a lot they've not tried yet, or yet to mention.

It's easy to yawn when you don't know all the facts. Nobody is trying to say Kaby is the best thing since sliced bread, but it's certainly interesting to those that have a certain level of appreciation, or those looking to upgrade. I think there's only one bridge here, as you've proven in the past.

Stop trying to make Kabylake sound exciting, it's not. It has 0 IPC increase over Skylake - that alone means it's an incredibly boring CPU for most people.

Of course for those upgrading their mainstream PC's now, the 7700k will still make sense over the 6700k, though that doesn't make it an exciting new CPU.

It's literally worse than the Haswell-Devil's Canyon jump (4770k-4790k) - at least that was what 500Mhz more at stock, Kabylake is only 200Mhz faster at stock. Not everyone overclocks you know

The 200 series chipset is also equally boring, it has a few more USB ports, native USB 3.1 (Z170 already had third party), Optane support (for SSD's that will make no difference to loading times, 4 more PCI-E lanes from the chipset (still hampered by DMI 3.0, so /yawn).

As I've said a few times already, for benchmarkers, or those going for world records, they may find this CPU exciting. I personally don't, as it has 0 IPC increase over Skylake, just a few hundred Mhz more, that makes almost no difference in console ported games.

RavenXXX2 said:
Oh please. Kaby is nothing more than another needless Intel cash cow because they aint got out else to push out. Tell me what great features the new chipset brings that average Joe will rush out to buy, I'm waiting.

+1, finally someone else can see that Kabylake is a complete yawn fest...