7700K @ 7GHz New WR!

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

+1, finally someone else can see that Kabylake is a complete yawn fest...

But,but we have a £170 Core i3 7350K which has no cooler - that's exciting right??

 

[Yutang13]

+1, finally someone else can see that Kabylake is a complete yawn fest...

But the motherboards will be so much better! It has optane support and everything.

 

[Silent_Scone]

You seem to be running out of Straws, don't worry lots of places sell them.

Wow, I am so burnt. I wish I could truely explain to you how little it means coming from the uninformed clique that you're a part of. Like I said, very little in the way of enthusiasts on this forum.



Maybe I'll let Dave have the last word, after all, he's obviously used Kaby and Z270 in various SKUs. Didn't mention Optane support, either. As I said, the features arent part of the chipset.

You can always send me a trust message if you'd like to learn something new for once beyond sarcasm. If that wasn't obvious, I'm implying you're clueless.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Meh,we used to have new steppings of CPUs which did the same as these much touted "platform revisions" like going from the B3 Q6600 to a G0 Q6600 which improved overclockability and dropped TDP,or the 95W versions of the Phenom 1055T,which were not only more overclockable than the earlier version but dropped TDP as well.

Now,we have essentially same things with a slightly newer chipset and its advertised to the nth degree.

Maybe if that Core i3 7350K was closer to £100,had a cooler and didn't require a Z series motherboard to overclock on,it would be something over Skylake.

Most of these so called "huge improvements" to base clockspeeds and improved overclocking were what we expected as process nodes became more mature.

I could fully imagine if the Q6600 G0 was released today it would have been called the Q7600,it would be clocked at 2.66GHZ,would not be cheaper and Intel would have taken launched a halfway house chipset between the P35 and P45 as something new and brilliant,and touted how their new improved performance tweaks meant you could overclock the Q6600 more.

Intel is locking down more and more,and making even more artificial product segregations. You used to be able to get Core i7 chips branded as Xeons for years which would work fine in consumer sockets and were significantly cheaper than a normal locked Core i7 - Intel made sure they shut that loophole down on purpose. I did quite a few builds with them - you were saving like £50 over a non-K series Core i7 with them.

They were obviously making more than enough money with those cheaper Xeons for business customers,but didn't want gamers to obviously get cheaper CPUs.

 

[Silent_Scone]

Meh,we used to have new steppings of CPUs which did the same as these much touted "platform revisions" like going from the B3 Q6600 to a G0 Q6600 which improved overclockability and dropped TDP,or the 95W versions of the Phenom 1055T,which were not only more overclockable than the earlier version but dropped TDP as well.

Now,we have essentially same things with a slightly newer chipset and its advertised to the nth degree.

Maybe if that Core i3 7350K was closer to £100,had a cooler and didn't require a Z series motherboard to overclock on,it would be something over Skylake.

Most of these so called "huge improvements" to base clockspeeds and improved overclocking were what we expected as process nodes became more mature.

I could fully imagine if the Q6600 G0 was released today it would have been called the Q7600,it would be clocked at 2.66GHZ,would not be cheaper and Intel would have taken launched a halfway house chipset between the P35 and P45 as something new and brilliant,and touted how their new improved performance tweaks meant you could overclock the Q6600 more.

I guess it would just be nice to have opinions formed from users who actually understand their own CPUs limits before forming an opinion something they don't own. Trying to say something only appeals to benchmarkers is a cop-out, like not actually understanding why something is better. When even Dave here our resident village man, can see that a 5 to 5.2Ghz 7700K paired with 4233 memory will out perform his 6700 which we'll assumingly say is running at least 4.8 with modest uncore and memory frequency, and board controlled sub timings.

It's not just with this stepping, either. Hardly anyone in these circles noticed just how much better BWE memory controller is over Haswell. Most users here are gamers, not hardware enthusiasts.

One can argue if you don't care for these things, you're on the wrong forum.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

There have been plenty of instances of new steppings increasing base clockspeeds,improved power consumption,or even for instance memory can be pushed harder on the newer chips.

Some of those changes have been massive - the Q6600 G0 and 95W Phenom II X6 chips were actually significant changes. Look at some of the new steppings of some of the Athlons,etc in the past.

14NM has been out for a while - OFC its going to probably clock better now. Its the same with most process nodes.

It just annoys me when companies like Intel(and AMD have done it too),feel the need to essentially make it sound like its some mega big change. AMD did the same with the A10 6000 series,and boosted clockspeeds,had some new fancy firmware in the chip,etc and said it was a new improved and refined chip but it didn't need a new series denoted for it.

Then you get people falling for it,thinking its some brilliant change. Improved overclockability should not be sold as some new series.

In the past the Core i7 7700K would have been called the Core i7 6750K and Intel would have designated it as a stepping change.

Now,its a "totally brand new line" - the illness from graphics cards is now spreading to CPUs.

Just fed up of all of it TBH - this is what happens when AMD was not around for the fight for so long. I just hope Ryzen is even half competent. It NEEDs to be,otherwise we will be stuck with more bore inducing rejigs and £170 Core i3 CPUs.

Maybe benchmarkers,who will spend £100s,just to hit a magical clockspeed number or want that extra 10% performance might be like "wow" for this chip,but the rest of us are like,really?? £170 Core i3 CPUs??

Yes,I am sure KL has some features that didn't work so well on SL which now actually work so you can get 10% extra battery life in your laptop.

Maybe if I was buying a laptop I might be more excited about it.

 

[Silent_Scone]

Well, there you have it. If AMD have taught you anything, it's that there are no brilliant changes.

Nobody is forcing people to buy these things. But the fact remains that this CPU, with right person behind the keyboard and the right DIMMs, will outperform any 6700 build.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Meh,if we are getting that excited about small performance bumps sold as new generations,we must have very low expectations as enthusiasts.

KL is so uninspiring,that I expect many of the slight price reductions with the Core i7 6700/6700K we are starting to see to clear stock,are actually more exciting TBH especially if there are deals to be had on the "old" socket 1151 motherboards.

In reality 10% extra performance(if it is even that as clockspeed scaling is not always linear),will still mean nothing for most people.

Would you be excited if Nvidia rebadged the GTX1080 as the GTX2080 and it hit 10% higher clockspeeds both at stock and overclocked,and some slight performance/watt improvement or if AMD did the same??

You know the GTX700 series under the GTX780 and the R9 270/280 series,etc. Many of those have been new steppings,etc.

Nope,and its been done before and most people have been bored stupid.

It is an improvement but rather a meh one at that. Plus £170 Core i3 CPUs. LOL.

So at this rate you might as well skip multiple generations of Core i5 and Core i7 CPUs if you really want an upgrade which is actually meaningful.

Plus all the PR bumpf but "this new 10%" is 1000X better than the "10%" we touted last year.

On the flipside if you buy secondhand CPUs,you can almost get the same performance as the "latest and greatest" for much less money.

I suppose that is a good thing KL has brought to the table!!

 

[Silent_Scone]

What CPU are you currently running?

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

What CPU are you currently running?

An older gen Core i7 and my last decade has been SFF rigs(Shuttles,mini-ITX ones,etc).

Plus I can get a refurb Core i7 6700/6700K with a full warranty for a fraction of what this new chip will cost,so at this point,why do I want to get excited by a mere 200MHZ clockspeed bump?? Why spend £120 to £130 more for that?? Motherboards will be cheaper too as the first generation socket 1151 ones get phased out.

The only reason I have not is since I want to see what Ryzen looks like next year,otherwise I might have got one already.

 

[Silent_Scone]

Well there you go, it's all money. Not buying the best available is your prerogative. This is overclockersUK, though .

Why even purchase a K CPU, even.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Well there you go, it's all money. Not buying the best available is your prerogative. This is overclockersUK, though

Overclocking started from people wanting better value for money and modding cheaper parts to match more expensive ones. I think you must be new to this overclocking lark - some of us have been enthusiasts for a while!

Most people who are sane,are not going to get overexcited about 10% E-PEEN improvements,when a Core i7 6700K with a motherboard and RAM can be had for Core i7 7700K money.

The difference is so small,that in a double blind study,I expect you would not tell the difference between the two.

You are going to get really excited with Coffee Lake - it actually has six cores!!

Like I said you have such low expectations for piffling increase,and that is why Intel can get away with it. Its like when the new iPhone is launched with 10.56% more iPoints and people queue up to get the latest one.

So much so,one reporter bandied around the old one and people thought it was the new one!

 

[Silent_Scone]

I guess you'd pick a memory kit that's under 2800mhz too. That's the thing with slower, it's almost always cheaper lol.
Guess these gains are no interest to you either, though? What we will eventually conclude here is that it's not about performance, it's about feeling like you've saved money without missing out.

http://www.techspot.com/article/1171-ddr4-4000-mhz-performance/page3.html

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I guess you'd pick a memory kit that's under 2800mhz too. That's the thing with slower, it's almost always cheaper lol.
Guess these gains are no interest to you either, though? What we will eventually conclude here is that it's not about performance, it's about feeling like you've saved money without missing out.

http://www.techspot.com/article/1171-ddr4-4000-mhz-performance/page3.html

Then when all the nicely binned initial batches run out,you get people on forums asking why their new chip is not overclocking as much,etc.

Then all the people saying that it will overclock by XYZ% and you can run 1 million mhz memory suddenly go quiet.

I am sure you are getting very overexcited about this new 10% improvement with that newly minted Core i7 7700K you have there,but like I said make sure you have a stiff drink as CL will give you six cores,yes a whole six cores!!

Intel must love you and your overexcitement over their segmented performance leaps - they should get you on their PR advertising campaigns - look at that mighty performance bump! Its fantabulous.

 

[Silent_Scone]

If you're into SSF I'd recommend the Impact motherboard. It's a beast with memory...

But then you're not into overclocking. Maybe just stick to what you know.

Also almost all samples will be able to reach 5Ghz, even muggles will manage

 

[SiDeards73]

If you're into SSF I'd recommend the Impact motherboard. It's a beast with memory...

But then you're not into overclocking. Maybe just stick to what you know.

Also almost all samples will be able to reach 5Ghz, even muggles will manage

You are probably one of the most condescending people on these forums but it's actually funny to read your drivel, I think you almost believe the nonsense you spout? Is it a case of "if I say it enough it will come true"?

Face it, Intel's latest offerings are hardly exciting, the fact you have to repeatedly ram down the throats the supposed technology Marvell's it possesses pretty much says it all.

I'm not expecting Zen to really be any better either , whole market is stagnated.

 

[Silent_Scone]

You are probably one of the most condescending people on these forums but it's actually funny to read your drivel, I think you almost believe the nonsense you spout? Is it a case of "if I say it enough it will come true"?

Face it, Intel's latest offerings are hardly exciting, the fact you have to repeatedly ram down the throats the supposed technology Marvell's it possesses pretty much says it all.

I'm not expecting Zen to really be any better either , whole market is stagnated.

If you'd like to point out what I've said you don't believe, I'd be happy to reply. That's the thing when you come into a discussion with an off-hand comment about straws - you can't expect a rational reply back. Maybe I upset you sometime ago regarding something else. Either way, it shouldn't really affect you if you're not impressed with the performance over your 4770K.

 

[RavenXXX2]

No one is impressed with lazylake performance except silent and a few LN2 benchers. Tell us silent what does kaby offer us over sky? Make me get hard for kaby.

 

[Silent_Scone]

No one is impressed with lazylake performance except silent and a few LN2 benchers. Tell us silent what does kaby offer us over sky? Make me get hard for kaby.

Here is a fact. £700 Zen DOA. Expect a price drop within weeks if supply is not constrained.

lol £700 for amd, amazing price.... hahaha.

You're embarrassing yourself. Can we get back to Zen.

$499 for top Zen so £500 here.

Another AMD detractor, hey you get what you get given, and that's Intel taking a good kicking. Roll on 2017 year of Zen.

...Pass.

 

[Dave2150]

I guess you'd pick a memory kit that's under 2800mhz too. That's the thing with slower, it's almost always cheaper lol.
Guess these gains are no interest to you either, though? What we will eventually conclude here is that it's not about performance, it's about feeling like you've saved money without missing out.

http://www.techspot.com/article/1171-ddr4-4000-mhz-performance/page3.html

If you don't need more than 8GB of RAM, then these 4000Mhz kits are great. Many of us have moved onto 16GB or even 32GB of RAM, as we simply need it for the applications we run.

Time to get with the times, while 8GB is fine for benchmarking, it's useless for many as they'd run out of memory very quickly.