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Yeah same.

I was planning on getting RAM around 3800 MHz since there's been some very decent performance increases in a couple of recent games.

Definitely not at the point of it helping everything yet, but certain games really eat it up for whatever reason:

http://www.techspot.com/article/1171-ddr4-4000-mhz-performance/page3.html

I'd be interested to see them test CIV 6 now that's out.

I find the price hike from anything over 3200mhz just isn't worth it, we do need to see faster DDR4 though at lower prices.
 
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But you can't have Z270 yet, with Coffee Lake/Cannon Lake support, Optane support, and 4 extra PCI lanes.

£700~ upgrde for 4 more PCIE lanes. Lets see. That would be 24 PCIE lanes on Z270. X58 offers 36... Bargain :p

Intel have pulled 3d Xpoint/Optane. Thats not arriving until 2019.
 
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£700~ upgrde for 4 more PCIE lanes. Lets see. That would be 24 PCIE lanes on Z270. X58 offers 36... Bargain :p

X58 is not compatible with M.2 drives.

Also it has very poor IPC, and mildly poor clockspeeds, when compared to Skylake/Kabylake.

Intel have pulled 3d Xpoint/Optane. Thats not arriving until 2019.

Not exactly.

2018/2019 is for the RAM-replacement modules (i.e. you put it in your RAM slots, and now have non-volatile RAM which is also a storage drive). That was never going to make it into Gen1, because it's not fast enough for that yet. I know they implied it was coming soon, but it was pretty obvious from a tech point of view.

What is still on time, and may appear even before the end of the year, is the ultra-fast SSDs. Which presumably will be M.2 and U.2
 
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X58 is not compatible with M.2 drives.

Also it has very poor IPC, and mildly poor clockspeeds, when compared to Skylake/Kabylake.



Not exactly.

2018/2019 is for the RAM-replacement modules (i.e. you put it in your RAM slots, and now have non-volatile RAM which is also a storage drive). That was never going to make it into Gen1, because it's not fast enough for that yet. I know they implied it was coming soon, but it was pretty obvious from a tech point of view.

What is still on time, and may appear even before the end of the year, is the ultra-fast SSDs. Which presumably will be M.2 and U.2

We already have very fast drives, and X58 is compatible with M.2 (PCI-E) SSD's just like any other motherboard with a PCI-E slot.

Nothing Z270 offers will be ground breaking in any way. It's just more of the same again from Intel.
 
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We already have very fast drives, and X58 is compatible with M.2 (PCI-E) SSD's just like any other motherboard with a PCI-E slot.

Gen1 Optane should be in the region of:

  • 20 GB/s Read
  • 10 GB/s Write
  • 4 Million IOPS Read
  • 1 Million IOPS Write

They've released their per-die performance, and SSDs normally have 16 dies. So even with bad scaling, the Optane drives should be so fast they're immediately limited by interface bandwidth.

Also remember Intel won't be the only provider. Micron haven't announced their first drives yet, but the memory was co-developed with them, so there's going to be competition too.
 
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We already have very fast drives, and X58 is compatible with M.2 (PCI-E) SSD's just like any other motherboard with a PCI-E slot.

Nothing Z270 offers will be ground breaking in any way. It's just more of the same again from Intel.

When you are leading the pack what else can you do :D
 
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Cant wait for Kaby Lake 7700K launch on 5 Jan 2017, only 66 days left. :D

It did not mattered when people always said Kaby Lake IPC is not improved since Sky Lake and they said the same thing every year since Ivy Bridge in games benchmarks. It is because old games had not been properly optimised for new and future CPUs so you needed to waited for new games that are properly optimised for Kaby Lake and you will see massive performance increase compared to old CPUs.

http://gamegpu.com/rpg/роллевые/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-special-edition-test-gpu

Take a look at Elder Scroll V: Skyrim for example, the game was released on 11 November 2011 5 years ago was been properly optimised for old CPUs Conroe, Westmere and Nehalem as well as new Sandy Bridge CPUs at the time.

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5 years passed since Ivy Bridge, Haswell, Broadwell, Sky Lake and now Kaby Lake, we saw very little improvement in performance compared to Sandy Bridge 2600K because the game was not properly optimised for future CPUs.

But things get very interesting when Bethesda released Skyrim remastered version that was been properly optimised on latest CPUs and likely upcoming Kaby Lake CPUs too.

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Just WOW you can see massive 55% performance boost between original and remastered version for Sky Lake 6700 CPU. :cool: The original version saw Sky Lake 6700 had 12% performance increase over Sandy Bridge 2600K, after properly optimised in remastered version saw Sky Lake 6700 had huge 28% performance increase over Sandy Bridge 2600K. So Kaby Lake will see around 10% performance increase over Sky Lake in games.

Wish games developers noticed this and decided they should follow Bethesda footstep to remastered all old games that properly optimised for modern CPUs and GPUs that will see massive performance boost.
 
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