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7700k availability?

Just WOW you can see massive 55% performance boost between original and remastered version for Sky Lake 6700 CPU. :cool:
You can also see a 35% improvement for the i7-2700K. Newer CPUs have more instruction sets that could perhaps be taken advantage of, hence the bigger boost for Skylake. I am not aware of any new instruction sets that Kaby Lake will have compared to Skylake though...

Wish games developers noticed this and decided they should follow Bethesda footstep to remastered all old games that properly optimised for modern CPUs and GPUs that will see massive performance boost.
Games developers are only going to spend time remastering old games if they think they will make a profit from doing so (either directly or indirectly by keeping customers sweet for an upcoming release). They're not going to just improve FPS on older games for the hell of it though, particularly as older games naturally get better on newer hardware anyway.
 
i haven't really looked up any info about these tbh so would it be worth upgrading from a 4790k?

Not really for the CPU performance (unless it turns out Kaby Lake has 10%+ IPC increase over Sky Lake)

But if you want the features of the Z270 chipset, like Coffee Lake and Cannon Lake support, and Intel/Micron 3D Xpoint memory support. Then yeah it could be worth it for you.

It's definitely worth it for people on Sandy/Ivy and Z67/Z77.
 
i haven't really looked up any info about these tbh so would it be worth upgrading from a 4790k?

I've used both a 4790k anda 6700k for many months. The 6700k runs much cooler, overclocks higher with very little effort.

I'd say there's a 10% performance gap between my chips, some of that is memory speed, some is clock speed difference (4.4Ghz on the haswell, 4.7Ghz on the Skylake) and some is IPC difference.

I'd suggest waiting for Zen or Coffeelake (Intel's first mainstream 6 core) before thinking of upgrading.
 
I think i will be going for a 7700k and z270 setup as long as they aren't insanely priced. Add some 3200mhz ram and i should be set for quite some time.

I have fixed my cold boot reset issue (fingers crossed anyway), so i can hold off and wait a little now and save a few more pennies.
 
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But things get very interesting when Bethesda released Skyrim remastered version that was been properly optimised on latest CPUs and likely upcoming Kaby Lake CPUs too.

Seems unlikely to be that much to do with the new CPUs. As DragonQ rightly points out, there's a 40% improvement on a 2500K which was available at the time of the original.

Rather, I would say they found a 40% performance improvement thanks to good software engineering, code improvements, etc. The 20% ish between Sandy and Skylake comes from plain old arch improvements.

In other words, they didn't 'optimise for newer CPUs', they just optimised for all CPUs.
 
I think the small increments are starting to add up now. Add to that the newer platform, newer ram and the fact I'll be going for the i7 this time will mean it'll be a worthwhile upgrade from my old z68 / i5 2500k /ddr3. Also I'll be moving to pcie3, which will make a small difference.
 
Do you think its worth waiting for kaby lake for a laptop? currently looking at the dell XPS15 but given that their XPS13 refresh just landed it makes me half want to wait on the 15 refresh. Kaby lake and presumably something along the lines of a 1060.
 
Do you think its worth waiting for kaby lake for a laptop? currently looking at the dell XPS15 but given that their XPS13 refresh just landed it makes me half want to wait on the 15 refresh. Kaby lake and presumably something along the lines of a 1060.

I think Kaby Lake laptops are already rolling out (i.e. can buy right now), so I'd definitely wait. Shouldn't be long at all.

Plus although the desktop performance increases are small, as people complain, the laptop ones are very significant (both in more processing power and better battery life).
 
Thats my thoughts, atm is only 2 core parts coming up, im certainly wanting the top end quad core i7 model and one of the small XPS15 complaints appears to be its battery life. Hopefully the refresh resolves that, without going all apple on the price.
 
Yeah if you have a 5820k I wouldn't be looking to upgrade for another 3 years easily. I'm on a rather weak i5 though. :(

Yeah imo with Coffee Lake not far off for mainstream it only means 6 cores will be getting utilised by games and applications much better and fairly soon.

Prices have taken quite a hike since i got mine, they're about 50-60 quid dearer now.
 
Do those RAM benchmarks on the previous page take into account timings as well?

I'm only using 2400mhz DDR4 but at 10-12-12-28-1T timings.
 
Cant wait for Kaby Lake 7700K launch on 5 Jan 2017, only 66 days left. :D

It did not mattered when people always said Kaby Lake IPC is not improved since Sky Lake and they said the same thing every year since Ivy Bridge in games benchmarks. It is because old games had not been properly optimised for new and future CPUs so you needed to waited for new games that are properly optimised for Kaby Lake and you will see massive performance increase compared to old CPUs.

http://gamegpu.com/rpg/роллевые/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-special-edition-test-gpu

Take a look at Elder Scroll V: Skyrim for example, the game was released on 11 November 2011 5 years ago was been properly optimised for old CPUs Conroe, Westmere and Nehalem as well as new Sandy Bridge CPUs at the time.

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5 years passed since Ivy Bridge, Haswell, Broadwell, Sky Lake and now Kaby Lake, we saw very little improvement in performance compared to Sandy Bridge 2600K because the game was not properly optimised for future CPUs.

But things get very interesting when Bethesda released Skyrim remastered version that was been properly optimised on latest CPUs and likely upcoming Kaby Lake CPUs too.

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Just WOW you can see massive 55% performance boost between original and remastered version for Sky Lake 6700 CPU. :cool: The original version saw Sky Lake 6700 had 12% performance increase over Sandy Bridge 2600K, after properly optimised in remastered version saw Sky Lake 6700 had huge 28% performance increase over Sandy Bridge 2600K. So Kaby Lake will see around 10% performance increase over Sky Lake in games.

Wish games developers noticed this and decided they should follow Bethesda footstep to remastered all old games that properly optimised for modern CPUs and GPUs that will see massive performance boost.


Bear in mind that they are only using an i7 6700 - not the K version.

6700 = 3.4Ghz base clock, 4Ghz turbo (on two cores)
6700k = 4.0Ghz base clock, 4.2Ghyz turbo (on two cores)

So a 6700k would be even further ahead on that graph etc ;)
 
So what exactly is the point of Kaby Lake then? We can already overclock Skylake to get that boost...

Benchmarks could be fake? It's a Chinese website after all...

And if it does turn out to have no IPC over Sky Lake, the point is just as a pipe cleaner for Intel's 14nm+ process, and to introduce the Z270 chipset. Which paves the way for Intel/Micron 3D Xpoint memory, and 6-core mainstream Coffee Lake CPUs.
 
So what exactly is the point of Kaby Lake then? We can already overclock Skylake to get that boost...

Everybody cant get Sky Lake overclocked to 5GHz stable enough for 24/7 because 1.4-1.45V was too high and too hot but average clock everybody can get is 4.5GHz on air.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1615357/...nd-overclocked-to-5-1ghz-1-328v#post_25632312

Steven Bassiri had played with 7700K engineering sample overclocked to 5GHz at just 1.272V which is very stable good enough to run for 24/7, he uploaded CPU-Z shot and valided but Intel took it down quickly.

If 5GHz will be the average clock everybody can overclock at good voltage for 24/7 then I think Kaby Lake will probably sell like hot cake with many Sky Lake owners jumped on board looked for 5GHz.
 
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