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7970 vs 680 thread.

the only thing you can say for sure is :- you're a bloody fool if you buy now, whatever the card you're after. :cool:

because in 4 months time this GTX 680 in standard trim, will be superceeded by quite a few cards, plus be much cheaper........ i've notived this every year since gaming....there's even a 4GB version of this card due out next month.... lol

There's always something new imminently on the horizon. PC hardware rarely stands still in admiration of its achievements.

Taking that attitude you'd never buy anything because you'd always be waiting for the "next big thing". Utter nonsense.

You aren't a fool for buying now: you can afford the price premium of having the best card presently on the market and you don't care if it's allegedly overpriced. £425 isn't a huge amount of money to some people.
 
Heaven and 3DMARK11 stress the cards way more than any game, still can't see any Keplers in here to beat my score....

You know why?

Because they can't, because Kepler is overclocked mid range derp.

What clocks was your 7970 running? coz thats a clear 10fps higher than any 7970 I've seen running those settings with reference cooler 24x7 stable clocks without using driver cheats.

Infact unless you somehow have a card that does 1300MHz stable I'm semi tempted to call BS on those results as I've not managed over 90fps with some pretty crazy overclocking.
 
That score is quite a bit higher than any results I've seen from 7970s so far doing 1125-1200MHz overclocks and that is about the max 24x7 stable clocks you will get from an average card most top out about 1150. Then again tho my experience with overclocking the 7970 is fairly limited hence why I'm saying semi-tempted to call it BS - I can reproduce the same results however using driver over-ride to cheat the tessellation.
 
What clocks was your 7970 running? coz thats a clear 10fps higher than any 7970 I've seen running those settings with reference cooler 24x7 stable clocks without using driver cheats.

Infact unless you somehow have a card that does 1300MHz stable I'm semi tempted to call BS on those results as I've not managed over 90fps with some pretty crazy overclocking.

Lol, call what you want. Your Q9550 is holding back your results btw.
 
Lol, call what you want, you're just not used to seeing accurate representations of the 7970's power.

Lol, call what you want. Your Q9550 is holding back your results btw.

:rolleyes: sorry got nothing better to say to that - now remove the tessellation over-rides and re-run the benchmark.


PS if you check the 2.5 thread you'd see I'm getting exactly the same results with the Q9550 as people with heavily OC'd i7/SB CPUs (clock for clock on the GPU).
 
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3Dmark is widely considered to be the absolute worst method to compare GPU performance. According to that, theres no difference between a 6970 and GTX 580 either, yet the GTX 580 completely smashes the 6970 in almost everysingle game out there.



Fixed that for you. Also Kepler isnt just limited to the GK104, Nvidia simply didnt bother with releasing the real GTX 680 because it was so good they can save it until its needed.

You have no idea what Nvidia did or didn't do, they've probably found GX110 too expensive / problematic to manufacture and decided to go the AMD route of making smaller gpus and just doubling them up for their top-end card for the short to medium term. It is early days for 28NM after all and silicon on this process is in high demand so it is precious, the less wasted on trying to make massive chips which end up faulty the better.
 
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I stick with Anandtech for my reviews. They seem the most trustworthy :p

Anandtech:

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680 Review: Retaking The Performance Crown...

NVIDIA’s drive for efficiency has paid off handsomely, and as a result they have once again captured the performance crown.

Hexus:

GeForce GTX 680 is a winner, because it is faster than a price-comparable Radeon HD 7970... and quieter....

the GeForce GTX 680 (Kepler GK104) is the Fermi architecture polished to a mirror finish. It is the best high-end GPU available right now, dethroning the AMD Radeon HD 7970 in the process....

Fastest single-GPU card going

Toms:

GeForce GTX 680 2 GB Review: Kepler Sends Tahiti On Vacation

GeForce GTX 680: The Hunter Scores A Kill

GeForce GTX 680 is now the fastest single-GPU graphics card

Industry standards across the board seem to conclude that the GTX 680 is the fastest card right now :D

You have no idea what Nvidia did or didn't do, they've probably found GX110 too expensive / problematic to manufacture and decided to go the AMD route of making smaller gpus and just doubling them up for their top-end card for the short to medium term. It is early days for 28NM after all and silicon on this process is in high demand so it is precious, the less wasted on trying to make massive chips which end up faulty the better.

They renamed their GTX 670 Ti to a GTX 680 at the final minute because it decimated the 7970, thats clearly what they did :D

The original GTX 680 was going to be even more powerful than the one we got :p
 
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:rolleyes: sorry got nothing better to say to that - now remove the tessellation over-rides and re-run the benchmark.


PS if you check the 2.5 thread you'd see I'm getting exactly the same results with the Q9550 as people with heavily OC'd i7/SB CPUs (clock for clock on the GPU).

How about, I use the slider and remove tessellation and then run it again?
 
Industry standards across the board seem to conclude that the GTX 680 is the fastest card right now :D



They renamed their GTX 670 Ti to a GTX 680 at the final minute because it decimated the 7970, thats clearly what they did :D

The original GTX 680 was going to be even more powerful than the one we got :p

I would say that while academically its the fastest GPU - it far from decimates the 7970 when both are running a good clock - was looking at some 1150MHz 7970 v 1200MHz GTX680 benchmarks last night and for the majority of the tests the difference was like 88 v 92fps.
 
Well this thread has gone the way I knew it would.
I just don't get it, yes it is annoying that most people can't see that when overclocked there isnt that much in it gaming wise (Although GTX 680 still wins in most) but who cares. I have a HD 7970 and love the performance I get and to be fair, always used to buy nvidia cards, I have been suprised, considering the general (AMD drivers suck consensous) that they have been great for me. All my games run above 60 (Even though I always have vsync on) and I can now have my games running with all the highest, lovely in game visual on. Which I couldnt before with my GTX 460. Don't regret my purchase in the slightest and will now wait for the next biggest and better cards to come out in the future
 
Anandtech:



Hexus:



Toms:



Industry standards across the board seem to conclude that the GTX 680 is the fastest card right now :D



They renamed their GTX 670 Ti to a GTX 680 at the final minute because it decimated the 7970, thats clearly what they did :D

The original GTX 680 was going to be even more powerful than the one we got :p

Your hyperbole is tiresome... At high res or overclocked there's very little in it so if you are neutral just go with what ever is price preferential.

Fanbois will just bend over with a tube of lube whilst freaking like weirdos over every tiny win anyway....
 
I'm an AMD / ATI fanboy based on my GPU history actually.

G104 / G114 / GK104 are all I've ever been interested in from Nvidia.

Fanbois actually wont listen to or agree with industry standard testing, results and conclusions, and will never change their opinion regardless of the evidence.

The GTX 680 is a faster card than the 7970, get over it and accept the truth.
 
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How about, I use the slider and remove tessellation and then run it again?

I know what a 7970 gets on the every day 24x7 overclock that most people are going to attain - and your result is ~14% higher which to me suggests you either have a card that does atleast 1300MHz somehow or your using non-standard tessellation or AA options. Now I fully admit I don't have as comprehensive experience of overclocking AMD cards as I do nVidia and might be wrong but your replies so far aren't really convincing me of that.
 
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