85 year old woman mauled to death in her own garden

[MrRockliffe]

Sometimes it is the dog.

https://www.askadamskutner.com/dog-bites/bite-statistics-according-to-dog-breed/

https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2019.php

If you're not keen on the source I've seen similar elsewhere from multiple sources.

Most of the time a violent or dangerous dog is the result of a poor owner, especially when said dogs are more energetic and on the larger side. I've been around many German Shepherds and English Mastiffs for example, my grandfather used to train German Shepherds for security/police work. Amazing animals when brought up properly by the right people. I would blame the owner 95% of the time for almost any animal on that list.

I'm not saying this is a case of a violent breed, but it is possible, and some animals are predisposed to be unpredictable no matter the owner, especially when Pit Bulls or crosses involving them are in question.

Be careful here, correlation doesn’t mean causation.

While a particular breed may be involved in more bites, you cannot conclude that the breed is more likely to bite someone.


E.g. could breed X be more likely to kept by owners which ill-treat breed X? Could there be more breed X?


Not saying you’re wrong, just that you have to look at the bigger picture with statistics

 

[robfosters]

I’ve had one, a bridle dog.
My sister in law got a blue puppy.
Bad temperament from the off, genuinely snapping at me as a puppy.
Lots of bad temperament dogs about.
I said it was ‘wrong’
A few months later it’s bit their daughter, I saw it coming from day 1.

I had a brindle staffie. The gentlest dog I’ve ever known, he was a total sweetheart. Brindles, blacks and fawns generally are the more purebred trustworthy dogs.

 

[Gray2233]

Be careful here, correlation doesn’t mean causation.

While a particular breed may be involved in more bites, you cannot conclude that the breed is more likely to bite someone.


E.g. could breed X be more likely to kept by owners which ill-treat breed X? Could there be more breed X?


Not saying you’re wrong, just that you have to look at the bigger picture with statistics

I don't disagree and normally I wouldn't present things as I did, but when the statistics show such an overwhelming trend I think it's something people should take notice of. I just find it naive to say that it can never be the animal, they have personalities just as we do and different breeds absolutely have different temperaments on top of that. It's half the reason we've bred them into different pedigrees over the years.

I don’t object to a licensing system, but thoroughly object to wiping out one particular breed.

I absolutely agree with this.

We have a problem in the UK where people love dogs when they're puppies but when they grow up they don't know what to do with them. A poorly trained large dog, especially one from a breed with a certain temperament is going to cause problems if someone who isn't fit to own such an animal gets their hands on one. Then there's just the flat out malicious ******** who treat their animals like crap like the gentleman involved with this case.

 

[Uther]

Horrible way to go. Apparently the dogs got through a hole in the fence so I assume it was her neighbours dogs

 

[SkodaMart]

I had a brindle staffie. The gentlest dog I’ve ever known, he was a total sweetheart. Brindles, blacks and fawns generally are the more purebred trustworthy dogs.

Yes he was lovely.
Still miss him now.

 

[SkodaMart]

Horrible way to go. Apparently the dogs got through a hole in the fence so I assume it was her neighbours dogs

Must have been utterly terrifying

 

[MCFC_ANDY]

see that on bbc news, how terrible, i would hate to imagine that happening to anyone tbh

 

[StriderX]

The threat of a manslaughter charge wont stop further attacks because we're dealing with morons who think it won't happen to their hellhounds as they were such masterful trainers... Though having the charge available certainly doesn't hurt.

Until the culture of pet ownership in this country changes, the only solution is to extinguish the breed responsible either through crossbreeding or extinction.

 

[Gray2233]

Until the culture of pet ownership in this country changes, the only solution is to extinguish the breed responsible either through crossbreeding or extinction.

Crossbreeding is the better option imo, assuming it's a genuinely dangerous breed.

Many 'purebreds' have all sorts of health problems anyway.

 

[robfosters]

The threat of a manslaughter charge wont stop further attacks because we're dealing with morons who think it won't happen to their hellhounds as they were such masterful trainers... Though having the charge available certainly doesn't hurt.

Until the culture of pet ownership in this country changes, the only solution is to extinguish the breed responsible either through crossbreeding or extinction.

More reactionary rubbish.

 

[Cooler running]

It's shamefully disgusting, vile news. If I was on the force I'd round up every dog in a quarter mile. If said dogs don't pass a temperament test, I'd have them all shot as an example.

Dogs are only a few hundred generations away from wolves, irresponsible owners and poorly trained dogs are a scourge. I hope the full extent of the law is utilized to bring retribution for the family which had their Grandmother careless taken from them.

 

[Minusorange]

There should be some kind of animal phone number that people can call these days if they see an animal wandering around without its owner.

um https://www.rspca.org.uk/ ?

 

[mccarf]

It's shamefully disgusting, vile news. If I was on the force I'd round up every dog in a quarter mile and if the dogs don't pass a temperament test, I'd have them all shot as an example.

Dogs are only a few hundred generations away from wolves, irresponsible owners and poorly trained dogs are a surge.

Why stop at just all dogs and a quarter mile? Just wipe out all the animals in the UK. That'll learn 'em

 

[Energize]

It's shamefully disgusting, vile news. If I was on the force I'd round up every dog in a quarter mile. If said dogs don't pass a temperament test, I'd have them all shot as an example.

Dogs are only a few hundred generations away from wolves, irresponsible owners and poorly trained dogs are a surge. I hope the full extent of the law is utilized to bring retribution for the family which had their Grandmother careless taken from them.

I think we should execute his grandmother as well.

 

[robfosters]

It's shamefully disgusting, vile news. If I was on the force I'd round up every dog in a quarter mile. If said dogs don't pass a temperament test, I'd have them all shot as an example.

Dogs are only a few hundred generations away from wolves, irresponsible owners and poorly trained dogs are a scourge.
I hope the full extent of the law is utilized to bring retribution for the family which had their Grandmother careless taken from them.

Shot lol!

 

[SkodaMart]

I think we should execute his grandmother as well.

Chav temperament test.
Now that would be interesting

 

[Cooler running]

Why stop at just all dogs and a quarter mile? Just wipe out all the animals in the UK. That'll learn 'em

Careless owners who keep dangerous or poorly trained dogs are responsible for this. Those dogs aren't even wild animals which can perhaps be excused on the grounds that they are malnourished or innately defensive around humans.

If one of your family members had been killed in this way, I assume you'd be rolling your eyes too right?

It's people who have an irrational attachment to dogs that allow this nonsense to continue. Perhaps what I said was a little hyperbolic, but genuinely believe that we shouldn't have any sympathy for the dogs in this regard.

 

[mccarf]

Careless owners who keep dangerous or poorly trained dogs are responsible for this. Those dogs aren't even wild animals which can perhaps be excused on the grounds that they are malnourished or innately defensive around humans.

If one of you're family members had been killed in this way, I assume you'd be rolling you're eyes too right?

It's people who have an irrational attachment to dogs that allow this nonsense to continue. Perhaps what I said was a little hyperbolic, but genuinely believe that we should have any sympathy for the dogs in this regard.

I would want the appropriate dog(s) and owner(s) to be punished, not every dog owner within some arbitrary distance. The dogs in this case should be put down and the owner should go to prison, which it seems like you agree with.

 

[Cooler running]

I would want the appropriate dog(s) and owner(s) to be punished, not every dog owner within some arbitrary distance. The dogs in this case should be put down and the owner should go to prison, which it seems like you agree with.

I do agree yes that this is right.

My concern is that people have a "not my dog he a good boy" kind of dismissive demeanour right up until disaster strikes. Their love blinds them.
Dangerous dogs are entirely unacceptable, and this country has a serious problem with looking the other way in the light of incidents like this.

Maybe not something so Draconian, but more needs to be done for sure.

 

[dowie]

Ah I see I’ve had some replies from people who still don’t grasp that bull terrier breeds kill disproportionately.

Dig breeds are artificially constructed, no reason why we can’t get rid of a breed or general type.

So your answer is just a quick genocide?

Read the whole article - if you keep two large dogs in a shed together and never let them leave the garden, should you be surprised they turn into psychos?

GSDs used to be considered aggressive dangerous dogs, now they're not. It's not the dog. It's the owner and the training.

Yes a “genocide” or final solution for this general type would be good. Within a generation we could be rid of them.

No it isn’t just the owner, aggressive dogs of various other breeds won’t do anywhere near the level of damage. There is no need to own dogs originally bred for dog fighting or to fight bulls etc...