85 year old woman mauled to death in her own garden

Parsley said:
Any dog over a certain size is a potential problem.
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Depending on how you are judging size doesn't just work like that though - there are a lot of bigger dogs even if they are having a bad day you stand a chance of intimidating or manhandling and they might back down while some smaller/medium sized ones yeah good luck with that.

baldmonk said:
I Have 2 staffies dog and a bitch i didn't choose my dogs for any manly purpose but because they are amazing loyal pets they are so loving so easy to train. you can give a idiot any breed of dog and that person could turn said dog into the most aggressive animal ever!! my brother was attacked by a lab and left with really bad scars for life, its not the dog its THE OWNER!! simple as that.
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Ultimately it is the owner but there is more to it than that - and those that bang on about it being the owner the most are often for some reason defensive staffy owners who can't see the problem when it does arise they are so bought into that mindset.

Friend of mine had half her face bitten off (was reported in the Western Gazette sometime around 1993) by her grandparent's staffy - the dog was soft as anything with most people (I encountered it a few times) but for some reason took a disliking to her but her grandparents were completely blind to it because the dog was so good around the immediate family it lived with until one day they left her with the dog and it attacked her.

Everyone else could see there was a problem but they'd just get defensive (it was about the time IIRC the whole pit bull thing was a big topic which didn't help as everyone would assume it was a pit).
 
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Rroff said:
Depending on how you are judging size doesn't just work like that though - there are a lot of bigger dogs even if they are having a bad day you stand a chance of intimidating or manhandling and they might back down while some smaller/medium sized ones yeah good luck with that.
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And a good chunk of that can boil down to how the dog was initially raised. Anyway, obviously dogs have their own personalities and natures, I'm not sure what you're really pulling me up on. It still doesn't really alter the fact that dogs over a certain size have the potential to be a real problem, a smaller dog might hurt you but the potential for a horror story is much lower. An aggressive Jack Russell, despite all it's bluster, is not at the same level of say... an aggressive German Shepard. I'd rather have a tussle with the Jack Russell than an angry Great Dane, even if the Dane would likely run off and hide just because you look at it, just because of the potential in the bigger dog.

Not that I want to go around fighting dogs :P.

I don't really understand the status dog thing though. I wish people would spend the time looking around Rescues. My last dog and my current dog are rescues and all my future dogs will be as well. I don't give two hoots what breed they are.
 
SkodaMart said:
Bit harsh on staffy bull terriers that are for the most part a great pet.
Obviously problem being some of the knob heads that own them.
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Why is it harsh on them? I’m not saying destroy existing dogs just stop them from breeding so new dogs of that type don’t get created. Dog breeds like that were created by humans, how is it harsh?
 
Parsley said:
And a good chunk of that can boil down to how the dog was initially raised. Anyway, obviously dogs have their own personalities and natures, I'm not sure what you're really pulling me up on. It still doesn't really alter the fact that dogs over a certain size have the potential to be a real problem, a smaller dog might hurt you but the potential for a horror story is much lower. An aggressive Jack Russell, despite all it's bluster, is not at the same level of say... an aggressive German Shepard. I'd rather have a tussle with the Jack Russell than an angry Great Dane, even if the Dane would likely run off and hide just because you look at it, just because of the potential in the bigger dog.

Not that I want to go around fighting dogs :p.

I don't really understand the status dog thing though. I wish people would spend the time looking around Rescues. My last dog and my current dog are rescues and all my future dogs will be as well. I don't give two hoots what breed they are.
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Not really pulling you up on anything. But there is a combination of factors speed, agility and power as well as, despite some being of a different opinion, some breeds are far more tenacious than others. Many of the dogs I'd go the furthest to avoid tangling with are more in the medium or even small side of medium category.
 
dowie said:
Why is it harsh on them? I’m not saying destroy existing dogs just stop them from breeding so new dogs of that type don’t get created. Dog breeds like that were created by humans, how is it harsh?
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Oh it’s not my fault just doesn’t wash with me. If you own a dog whatever the breed you should be personally responsible for it’s actions, training and control.
 
Agree that staffs and other dogs like them can obviously do more damage than a tiny dog. But it's far far more the owners fault. Obviously with combination of that you get incidents like this.

The real problem is the scummy chavs. But the breeds power and potential is also an issue.

That said I'd be more in favour of banning breeds with breathing and health difficulties. Anyone who has these breeds is no dog/animal lover
 
I am not sure whether to be concerned about these events or not.

It does concern me the way a certain percentage of the population seem to buy dogs simply because they are, or look like, a banned breed. It seems almost like owning a gun. But at the same time, these mauling events are seldom. People who own a Nissan cause far more damage than people who own a dog. I mean we have to put it in perspective, these maulings, while horrific, only happen every few years, in a massive population. I am not sure we need to change the law because of them. Also changing the law may actually make matters worse.
 
Well we have safety measures in place for vehicles (brakes, seat-belts, sensors, driving tests, insurance... etc), domesticated canines shouldn't really be any different.
 
Always disliked dogs, just don't trust them. Been randomly chased and bitten by two when in the park and there is a giant one a few doors up like the one from Sandlot Kids, any time you walk past the fence it rams it's fat head up against the fence almost punching through the panel barking like a psycho, can only imagine what would happen if it were to get out of that wood panel.

Cats for the win.
 
pp111 said:
People who own a Nissan cause far more damage than people who own a dog.
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Look at this smug monster, a Nissan AND a dog. Probably kidnapped the baby too.
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nitram100 said:
Always disliked dogs, just don't trust them. Been randomly chased and bitten by two when in the park and there is a giant one a few doors up like the one from Sandlot Kids, any time you walk past the fence it rams it's fat head up against the fence almost punching through the panel barking like a psycho, can only imagine what would happen if it were to get out of that wood panel.

Cats for the win.
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I have to say I am the same. There was a Labrador in the house nextdoor to my brother that was a monster. Labrador is not a breed you would normally associate with violence but this thing must have been crossed with a woolly rhino, it was freaking enormous. Not only that but it used to run at trespassers aggressively. It never went in to full attack mode but it always worried me because if it did it was clear it could easily jump ( or indeed bulldoze) the low fencing and take out a child.
Certainly many hundreds of postmen and women are bitten every year by dogs. If I had my way there would be a law ensuring the dog is not allowed in a front garden and ensuring they are properly contained in a back garden should they ever decide to go rogue.
 
SkodaMart said:
Bad temperament from the off, genuinely snapping at me as a puppy.
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I think people and breeders alike are reluctant to put a vicious dog down simply because of the financial loss. Dogs used to be pretty much free when I was a kid, now they cost a bomb. Not many people will accept the loss of £500 easily.
 
SkodaMart said:
Oh it’s not my fault just doesn’t wash with me. If you own a dog whatever the breed you should be personally responsible for it’s actions, training and control.
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But no one is saying the owner isn't at fault too here - both things can be true - these sorts of dogs can present an unnecessary risk we have no need for (plenty of other dogs people could own) and this particular owner deserves to be punished too.
 
dowie said:
But no one is saying the owner isn't at fault too here - both things can be true - these sorts of dogs can present an unnecessary risk we have no need for (plenty of other dogs people could own) and this particular owner deserves to be punished too.
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There’s no real deterrent to your dog killing someone.

What’s the worse this guys going to get?
Quick google suggests 6 months?

So let’s get that sorted, then come back and discuss breeds.
We already have the dangerous dogs act and pit bulls are supposedly banned.
 
I see there was another dog attack;

Mum mauled to death by dogs with history of violence and aggression
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/mum-mauled-death-dogs-history-20336973

It looks like the dogs used to belong to her partner who seems to have left the scene. She didn't know they had attacked before. Then when she was having an argument with her pregnant daughter the 2 American bulldogs turned and attacked her.

That is so wrong on so many levels.
 
The American bulldog gained popularity after the pit bull was banned.
It’s got no place in the UK IMO.
 
SkodaMart said:
There’s no real deterrent to your dog killing someone.

What’s the worse this guys going to get?
Quick google suggests 6 months?

So let’s get that sorted, then come back and discuss breeds.
We already have the dangerous dogs act and pit bulls are supposedly banned.
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Why not both - one doesn't block the other from happening.
 
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