85 year old woman mauled to death in her own garden

Scum, the poor women. Sometimes the behavious of dogs is a reflection of their owners. Poor women, killed in her own back garden. Too many dogs attacks, not enough consequences for owners, the law needs to be tough. First thing they can do is, if a dog is in a public area like a park, where there are children playing, families, all dogs needs to be muzzled and leashed. So many horror attack stories and now this. Hope the owners get prosecuted, it is manslaughter atleast.
 
~>Dg<~ said:
breeds are often put under the hammer when its the actual owner at fault.
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I've been responsible for my mother's border collie for six years now, and was familiar with all her other dogs over the last 35 years. So I'm not anti-dog at all. But I think the argument that 'it's always the owner's fault' is no different to the 'automatic weapons don't kill' argument. Yes, someone has to pull the trigger in the wrong place at the wrong time, but if they'd had a feather duster in their pocket, or a knife in their hand, or even a pistol, it would have taken longer to do the same damage.

Pretending that some breeds serve no function in modern society gets us nowhere. Breeds designed -- actually designed over years of selective breeding -- to have breathing problems and other health problems have no place in the civilised world. And dogs designed to be able to hang onto a bull's throat until it suffocates have no place in the home environment either. I'm not even sure about dogs like the border collie to be honest, after seeing what one of Mum's rescues was capable of if not handled carefully. Working farm dogs are one thing, but pets quite another.

I'm sure a chihuahua is capable of having a good go at someone's jugular if they're asleep, but you'd probably have a bit of warning, even if it's just dreaming about being back behind the bike sheds again.
 
Yeah that’s true, it’s not just bull terrier types, I think if we’re doing doggy genocide then Pugs and similar either need to be wiped out in a generation or face some eugenics to sort out the breathing issues.

Wipe out bull terrier breeds, sort out the stupid short nose dogs and frankly lame stuff like getting Alsatians to have a sloping back etc...
 
Just keep labradors. F the rest. Maybe a few edgy dogs to sniff out drugs and bombs, whatever.
 
amigafan2003 said:
An outright ban on all dogs would be a lot easier to enforce.

Horses don't savage people. Any deaths from horses are by accident (usually caused by another human - i.e. close vehicle pass or a human being careless).
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Loads of horses are aggressive towards people, especially stallions, seen people killed by them. Not that it really matters whether it's by accident or not. Enforcing a dog ban isn't practical, it's not like banning a manufactured car.
 
The problem with animals is that they cannot be realistically policed. We could licence dog owners, have all dogs registered and required to be tested annually just like owning a car but it would only tax the honest people and the miscreants will still fly under the radar until it's too late.

There's ultimately awful people who own dogs for the wrong reasons as much as there are awful people in general and we've bigger things to worry about. Nothing will really change.
 
If the victim was either old/new money, then parliament would be racing to bludgeon every dog they could find... alas it's just poor people getting mauled, so they don't care.

We've bred these animals for millennia for purposes that are simply no longer relevant. We can and should breed them out of existence along with all the deeply immoral purebred nonsense that causes many breeds to suffer.
 
Energize said:
Loads of horses are aggressive towards people, especially stallions, seen people killed by them.
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We get cases where people have died falling off a horse however cows are bad.
Last year I had two cases of people being trampled to death
A farmer friend of mine ended up in ICU for 3 weeks when one of his cows turned on him.
 
SexyGreyFox said:
We get cases where people have died falling off a horse however cows are bad.
Last year I had two cases of people being trampled to death
A farmer friend of mine ended up in ICU for 3 weeks when one of his cows turned on him.
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Cows kill a few people in the UK every year.

People just don't see them as dangerous, so take risks around them. If they really thought about it, it's a 500kg animal that can run faster than you across rough ground.

Ban cows- it makes sense.
 
People don't keep cows or horses in their house and garden so it's not really an issue.

A few people get killed by cows because they walk their dogs along footpaths enough cow fields. They charge the dog but the owner gets it too. So again, dog owners fault.

TBH all dogs should be chipped and have have their DNA sampled by law. So any poo the owner doesn't bother to pick up can be traced back to them. That would be a start.
 
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dowie said:
Presumably some sort of bull terrier breed. We could get rid of that in a generation tbh... Just require all bull terrier types are neutered and ban people from breeding them. Get rid of the is it isn’t it a pit bull stuff... just make the ban broader.

It doesn’t need involve affecting anyone’s existing dog beyond neutering them, shouldn’t be a threat to any owners who are adamant their staffy/whatever cross is super gentle “They’re called nanny dogs don’t you know” etc... just means that in 10 years there basically won’t be any of them left. Future dogs post ban could be confiscated if everyone has fair warning, the few that are left could be reported to the police etc...

In b4 someone makes an irrelevant claim of some tiny breed being more “aggressive” while totally missing the point that an “aggressive” dog the size of a rat isn’t going to kill someone and can be easily booted by most.
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I will be surprised if its another breed, its very controversial though, overwhelming public opinion would be against it.
 
Energize said:
Loads of horses are aggressive towards people, especially stallions, seen people killed by them. Not that it really matters whether it's by accident or not. Enforcing a dog ban isn't practical, it's not like banning a manufactured car.
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They can be extremely aggressive yes, but it's a little different.
Although I'm usually the first one to advocate sentencing them to "life" in a findus or glue factory, horses are rarely aggressive outside their enclosures. I've never heard of examples like this of horses escaping capture to go on a rampage, unlike this example.
Horses are also innately more dangerous creatures given their size, it's more difficult for a horse to defend itself without harming you.
 
Horses are prey animals they dont' go on the attack its defensive against a perceived threat, unlike dogs who are predators and will attack sheep/horses if uncontrolled/let off leash had a number of sheep killings by dogs locally here recently and one woman on horseback was attacked by dogs not far from here.
 
Nasher said:
TBH all dogs should be chipped and have have their DNA sampled by law. So any poo the owner doesn't bother to pick up can be traced back to them. That would be a start.
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I'll agree to sign a petition for this, if it also applies to cats. Don't see why anyone should have to deal with **** from someone else's pet.
 
even the title of this thread sickens me.

charge the owners for every bite as if they'd done it themselves, stacking charges of GBH with a side-order of murder (based on the animals intention, because we can't blame the animal so blame the owner) would sound about right.

if you're feeling malicious add the animal cruelty charges on top for abusing an animal to the point it acts like that......
 
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