85 year old woman mauled to death in her own garden

Graetzbridge · 7 Apr 2021 at 20:59

SkodaMart said:
The American bulldog gained popularity after the pit bull was banned.
It’s got no place in the UK IMO.

It's go no place - period.

SkodaMart · 7 Apr 2021 at 21:05

dowie said:
Why not both - one doesn't block the other from happening.

A tiger is a safe animal if the correct precautions are taken.
Whilst I agree that certain breeds serve no purpose but to intimidate, I still feel that the owner should be ultimately responsible for the control of his animal.

dowie · 7 Apr 2021 at 21:09

SkodaMart said:
A tiger is a safe animal if the correct precautions are taken.
Whilst I agree that certain breeds serve no purpose but to intimidate, I still feel that the owner should be ultimately responsible for the control of his animal.

Again no one is saying that the owner shouldn't be responsible. The point was about the breed - replying to that point with a tangential one about the owner isn't really adding anything when others already agree with the quite self-evident point that the owners ought to be responsible and this specific guy should be punished. It doesn't in itself negate (or have much to do with) any argument about getting rid of the breed.

SkodaMart · 7 Apr 2021 at 21:13

The punishment isn’t even close to appropriate for the crime.
The law in this instance is a joke.
We are talking a Game of Thrones style death here and a slap on the wrist as punishment.
If the law was better the attraction to want this type of dog wouldn’t exist.

I don’t for example see how dogs like the Rottweiler, Doberman and German Shepard could continue to exist.

dowie · 7 Apr 2021 at 21:17

Well if you don't want a particular breed to exist then why not deal with it directly?

SkodaMart · 7 Apr 2021 at 21:18

@dowie

Which breeds should we cull?
Maybe we should ban the owning of dogs full stop?

dowie · 7 Apr 2021 at 21:20

SkodaMart said:
@dowie

Which breeds should we cull?
Maybe we should ban the owning of dogs full stop?

Well I've already answered that - I'd like to get rid of bull terrier breeds in general as they're disproportionately responsible for deaths in dog attacks... like off the scale relative to all other breeds.

Graetzbridge · 7 Apr 2021 at 21:20

SkodaMart said:
The punishment isn’t even close to appropriate for the crime.
The law in this instance is a joke.
We are talking a Game of Thrones style death here and a slap on the wrist as punishment.
If the law was better the attraction to want this type of dog wouldn’t exist.

I don’t for example see how dogs like the Rottweiler, Doberman and German Shepard could continue to exist.

My collie and a friend's German Shepherd do just fine. Just for scale, they both weigh about 35kg.

SkodaMart · 7 Apr 2021 at 21:23

Graetzbridge said:
My collie and a friend's German Shepherd do just fine. Just for scale, they both weigh about 35kg.

Just trying to establish which dog breeds @dowie wants rid of.

dowie · 7 Apr 2021 at 21:24

SkodaMart said:
Just trying to establish which dog breeds @dowie wants rid of.

Why not read what I've posted then? I've literally told you and the thread a few times now.

Look at post #6 for example or indeed other posts you've already read and replied to:

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/forums/posts/34690645/

SkodaMart · 7 Apr 2021 at 21:24

dowie said:
Well I've already answered that - I'd like to get rid of bull terrier breeds in general as they're disproportionately responsible for deaths in dog attacks... like off the scale relative to all other breeds.

Rottweilers? Doberman’s?
How can you cull bull breeds and keep those?

dowie · 7 Apr 2021 at 21:25

SkodaMart said:
Rottweilers? Doberman’s?
How can you cull bull breeds and keep those?

For the reason I've given in the post you've literally just quoted.

For example - see this chart:

The next two down are regularly in the top 10 most popular breeds - bull terriers (generically referred to as pit bulls in the US regardless of type) aren't as popular! Yet they cause way way more deaths.

SkodaMart · 7 Apr 2021 at 21:28

dowie said:
For the reason I've given in the post you've literally just quoted.

The dogs you have quoted just happen to be fashionable for low life.
Pretty sure the fore-mentioned animals will take their place if the bull breeds didn’t exist.
Back in the 80s the nob heads dog was the German Shepard.

SkodaMart · 7 Apr 2021 at 21:30

Pit bulls are banned in the UK.
How many times do I have to state this fact.

it didn’t stop this poor old lady dying though did it?
The OWNERS are the criminals
Not the animals.

Bored now / ignore

dowie · 7 Apr 2021 at 21:37

SkodaMart said:
Pit bulls are banned in the UK.
How many times do I have to state this fact.

it didn’t stop this poor old lady dying though did it?
The OWNERS are the criminals
Not the animals.

Bored now / ignore

Well you're missing the point - as already explained the problem here is that there are various other bull terrier types out there - then you get the issue of what is or isn't a pit bull - a broader ban and eliminating the type, in general, resolves this.

See the edit above German Shepards are way way more popular in general (number 2 in the US according to that data) and yet in the US cause less than a 10th of the deaths.

Graetzbridge · 7 Apr 2021 at 22:11

dowie said:
Well you're missing the point - as already explained the problem here is that there are various other bull terrier types out there - then you get the issue of what is or isn't a pit bull - a broader ban and eliminating the type, in general, resolves this.

See the edit above German Shepards are way way more popular in general (number 2 in the US according to that data) and yet in the US cause less than a 10th of the deaths.

Do you think that just possible, just possible, that the owners are a significant part of the type of their breed?

dowie · 7 Apr 2021 at 22:14

Graetzbridge said:
Do you think that just possible, just possible, that the owners are a significant part of the type of their breed?

I'm not sure what you're asking here - I think there are bad owners. I'm not sure what you mean re:"part of the type of their breed"? Are you talking about some dogs having more bad owners - in which case to some extent yes... though in this case we're talking about a very large difference in deaths - if they mistreated say a labrador it wouldn't necessarily have the same effect!

Graetzbridge · 8 Apr 2021 at 16:56

dowie said:
I'm not sure what you're asking here - I think there are bad owners. I'm not sure what you mean re:"part of the type of their breed"? Are you talking about some dogs having more bad owners - in which case to some extent yes... though in this case we're talking about a very large difference in deaths - if they mistreated say a labrador it wouldn't necessarily have the same effect!

That the owners are a significant part of the type of their breed.

dowie · 8 Apr 2021 at 17:00

Graetzbridge said:
That the owners are a significant part of the type of their breed.

I'm still no clearer on what you mean by that - I did try some suggestions with my answer but you merely repeating the phrasing and adding your answer isn't adding much in terms of understanding.

robfosters · 8 Apr 2021 at 17:00

dowie said:
I'm not sure what you're asking here - I think there are bad owners. I'm not sure what you mean re:"part of the type of their breed"? Are you talking about some dogs having more bad owners - in which case to some extent yes... though in this case we're talking about a very large difference in deaths - if they mistreated say a labrador it wouldn't necessarily have the same effect!

If you think Staffies should be wiped out then you’re gone in the head mate.

the breeding and owning needs regulating, but getting rid of the breed would be a massive and unjust overreaction.