9/11 - Controlled demolition?

I think the loosechange video explains the supposed explosions a little better they even have first hand interviews with people who where in the lower floors who claim they felt an explosion below them from the basement well before anything above, granted this could have been a result of the plane hitting the lift shafts causing a huge fireball to run the length of the building blowing out of the lower floors.


Another thing to add fuel to the argument is the fact that not long before the attacks large insurance was taken out on the on the towers as well as the owners of Boeing which more covered the cost of any such attacks many times over. Then after the attack they tried to start the insurance claim (not unusual) but they tried claim on a per plane bases that hit the towers saying they were separate acts of terrorism therefore getting them a hell of a lot more in insurance. Probably this is being looked into too much as probably any good business person would want to get as much back as possible, just seems a little off that this particular insurance was taken out only just before the attacks.

There was also no investigation allowed into the base structure of the twin towers which might have proved / disproved any prior weakening to the building structure at it's base. Theres reports that this was something to do with what was stored beneath the towers, something to do with a large storage of gold (a few billion) which a large portion of it was later unaccounted for.

On Building 7 the intresting thing about this is that this building was also owned by the same people who owned the twin towers. Another interesting thing about Building 7 is the way it goes down, granted the twin towers went down in a similar fashion, vertical as opposed to toppling, but Building 7 had no reason really to go that way, nothing of the same magnitude as a 747 hit it full on so why would it go down like that when not one single other sky scraper of similar design as even collapsed never mind collapsed in a demolition type fashion.
 
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IceBus said:
How did Building 7 fall then? No planes hit it, and it's the first ever recorded incident of a steel building collapsing due to fire.

Building 7 was damaged on the South face by WTC1 when it collapsed, but the likes of the Loose Change gang don't like you to know this.

There are only a few pictures of the damaged side because obvioulsy it was quite inaccessible due to all the WTC1 debris.

wtc7_2.jpg


Again what on earth would be the point in destroying building 7 suerly it sticks out like a saw thumb especially as it collapsed at 5pm later that day.
 
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IceBus said:
As I've said before, compartmentalisation worked fine for the Manhattan Project which was arguably even more significant.

the russians knew about it though..somebody on the inside was feeding them info

rosenburgs and klaus fuchs....stuff gets out no matter how secret
 
In relation to the mobile not working at 6 miles or whatever.

From personal experience I can say the phone works till out of sight of land when crossing from Poole to Cherbourg on the ferry. The distance to the horizon from 50ft above sea level is 9.5 miles. The deck of the ferry is higher than 50ft and the land higher than sea level, so the range is safely over 9.5 miles.

I renember something on the news a while back too, about people in Folkestone or similar getting poor reception on their mobiles and constantly being billed for roaming, as their phones were picking up a French cell site (could'nt find the story though).

No proof but in my opinion I see no reason for a mobile not to work at 6 miles up.

TDF.
 
Who was making the calls and how were they being faked if the mobiles weren't working. These flights were internal, people book them at very short notice it would be impossible to know who wuld be on them then find out what they sound like and fake a call to a relative or friend.......it's just utter nonsence.
 
Occam Strikes!

Which is more likely:

Islamic fundamentalists thought of a new way of terrorising and causing destruction, and correctly executed their plan.

Or.....

A huge international conspiracy perpetuated by the US government involving thousands of people, which has proceeded perfectly with no leaks and the most miniscule amount of dubious evidence that there was a conspiracy?

Hmm....
 
TheDogFather said:
No proof but in my opinion I see no reason for a mobile not to work at 6 miles up.

TDF.

The antennas are omindirection. They radiate the RF in a 'donut' shape on the plane of the phone. i.e. they radiate forwards and to the sides for miles, but don't radiate in the vertical direction. This includes the base stations too. So they shouldnt' work 6 miles up.

I think, however, that the reporting of 6 miles is incorrect. That is the altitude planes fly at normally. However, this wasn't a normal plane. It was plane that is attempting to fly into a building. It was more likey flying an awful lot lower than 6 miles, thus phones would work...
 
MookJong said:
Building 7 was damaged on the South face by WTC1 when it collapsed, but the likes of the Loose Change gang don't like you to know this.

There are only a few pictures of the damaged side because obvioulsy it was quite inaccessible due to all the WTC1 debris.

wtc7_2.jpg


Again what on earth would be the point in destroying building 7 suerly it sticks out like a saw thumb especially as it collapsed at 5pm later that day.

considering the damage was all on one side could you explain how the building fell straight down? :confused: because with the damage and fires on one side surely it should have fell towards that side when it colapsed? and this video clearly has numerous explosions in the background link
 
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growse said:
A huge international conspiracy perpetuated by the US government involving thousands of people, which has proceeded perfectly with no leaks and the most miniscule amount of dubious evidence that there was a conspiracy?

Don't forget the hugely patriot aspect of Americans, I just can't believe that they could convince 100s of Americans that would have to of been involved to attack and kill 3000 of their OWN citizens...
 
IceBus said:
How did Building 7 fall then? No planes hit it, and it's the first ever recorded incident of a steel building collapsing due to fire.

its also the first ever recorded incidence of some1 igniting 10,000 gallons of jet fuel inside a steel building

steel loses half its structual strength at around 1,200 farenheit.

all the jet fuel inside the twin towers is estimated to have started a fire that reached 1400 farenheit. The conspiracy theory is that this jet fuel burns quickly,and would have run out very quickly. But of course everything else in that building will then have set fire. The jet fuel wasnt the only thing burning.

With the weakened outer structure of the building, and the huge fire inside, it was enough to pancake the top floors down.

"it's the first ever recorded incident of a steel building collapsing due to fire" its also the first ever recorded incident of a fire involving 10,000 gallons of jet fuel, and the first ever fire recorded involving 10,000 gallons of jet fuel and significant structural damage to the outer colums

where else, apart from 9/11 would you find all 3 of those factors ?
 
MrLOL said:
its also the first ever recorded incidence of some1 igniting 10,000 gallons of jet fuel inside a steel building

steel loses half its structual strength at around 1,200 farenheit.

all the jet fuel inside the twin towers is estimated to have started a fire that reached 1400 farenheit. The conspiracy theory is that this jet fuel burns quickly,and would have run out very quickly. But of course everything else in that building will then have set fire. The jet fuel wasnt the only thing burning.

With the weakened outer structure of the building, and the huge fire inside, it was enough to pancake the top floors down.

"it's the first ever recorded incident of a steel building collapsing due to fire" its also the first ever recorded incident of a fire involving 10,000 gallons of jet fuel, and the first ever fire recorded involving 10,000 gallons of jet fuel and significant structural damage to the outer colums

where else, apart from 9/11 would you find all 3 of those factors ?

the jet fuel was in the two towers not building 7 ;) also it didn't reach anywhere near the melting point for steel, if you look at the images from that day you will see that the fires were giving of mainly thick black smoke this is a sign that they were not burning anywere near at their optimal tempertures due to lack of oxygen. Also you claim everything else would have caught fire yet being a place of work most of the furniture ect would have had to meet certain safety regs as far as fire proofing goes would it not?
 
sidthesexist said:
considering the damage was all on one side could you explain how the building fell straight down? :confused: because with the damage and fires on one side surely it should have fell towards that side when it colapsed? and this video clearly has numerous explosions in the background link

because the impact isnt want caused the towers to fall. the fire, coupled with exterior damage caused the upper floors to cave in.

Think about it, as posted above, steel looses half its strength at 1200 farenheit. the fire was at 1400. So on 1 side the outer structural collums have been removed entirely, and on the other side they're under half strength due to the fire

its no wonder the upper floors collapsed down on top, brining the whole lot with it. If you watched the discovery program on it, the floors werent bolted together well enough to stop pancakcing from happenning.
 
MrLOL said:
because the impact isnt want caused the towers to fall. the fire, coupled with exterior damage caused the upper floors to cave in.

Think about it, as posted above, steel looses half its strength at 1200 farenheit. the fire was at 1400. So on 1 side the outer structural collums have been removed entirely, and on the other side they're under half strength due to the fire

its no wonder the upper floors collapsed down on top, brining the whole lot with it. If you watched the discovery program on it, the floors werent bolted together well enough to stop pancakcing from happenning.

you may not have gathered yet but were talking about building 7 not the two towers
 
MrLOL said:
because the impact isnt want caused the towers to fall. the fire, coupled with exterior damage caused the upper floors to cave in.

Think about it, as posted above, steel looses half its strength at 1200 farenheit. the fire was at 1400. So on 1 side the outer structural collums have been removed entirely, and on the other side they're under half strength due to the fire

its no wonder the upper floors collapsed down on top, brining the whole lot with it. If you watched the discovery program on it, the floors werent bolted together well enough to stop pancakcing from happenning.

You're completely ignoring the question, and the fact we're talking about BUILDING 7.

As has been said, if it was damaged on one corner, surely it'd fall it that direction, not straight down like a controlled demolition?
 
IceBus said:
You're completely ignoring the question, and the fact we're talking about BUILDING 7.

As has been said, if it was damaged on one corner, surely it'd fall it that direction, not straight down like a controlled demolition?

my apologies

nowhere in your original 2/3 posts did you mention this

the thread was so large i missed the point that we admit that WTC 1 and 2 were indeed brought down by terrorists, and were arguing over the collapse of the 3rd tower.

btw, why are we arguing over this, the by the time WTC1 and 2 had fell, building 7 was empty. Thus no loss of life, so what if they demolished it ?



IceBus said:
I'm sorry to post another one of these threads up, but theres still a real lack of conclusive evidence about what happened on 9/11 and a lack of disclosure of tapes etc. that could definitively quash any conspiracy theories.

I stumbled onto this video today and it contains a piece of footage I've never seen before, which to me, looks extremely hard to explain away.

At the 38 second mark:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3njQAEMYh0E

For more supporting evidence:- http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon.php

www.martiallaw911.info/video.htm

http://netctr.com/media.html

http://www.question911.com/links.php

What do you guys think? Please try and refrain from bashing this idea on principle if you haven't watched the videos.


IceBus said:
To provoke fear among the country and make them willing to sanction an illegal war in an oil rich country to secure billions of dollars worth of oil?

Also, could the idiots who can't read the first post comprehensively enough to see the section:-

"Please try and refrain from bashing this idea on principle if you haven't watched the videos."

please go troll in another thread.



IceBus said:
No. I want people to watch the videos and then construct a reasoned argument, something that used to be possible on these forums. Obviously now people would rather post pictures of owls saying 'O RLY' than actually try to enter into any sort of debate. The point of this thread is to watch the video footage I've cited, and go to the websites, then reply, but post with some idiotic kneejerk reaction or attempt to be funny about a subject which is deadly serious.

Where exactly would the US economy be as a whole without sources of cheap oil?
 
you also havn't explained the explosions clearly heard in this vid (numerous explosions) link as well as the clouds of dust rising upwards from the basement and not downwards from the point of impact
 
MrLOL said:
my apologies

nowhere in your original 2/3 posts did you mention this

the thread was so large i missed the point that we admit that WTC 1 and 2 were indeed brought down by terrorists, and were arguing over the collapse of the 3rd tower.

btw, why are we arguing over this, the by the time WTC1 and 2 had fell, building 7 was empty. Thus no loss of life, so what if they demolished it ?

Because Building 7 was made in exactly the same way as towers 1&2 and fell in exactly the same way, despite suffering minimal damage.
 
Gman said:
I think the loosechange video explains the supposed explosions a little better they even have first hand interviews with people who where in the lower floors who claim they felt an explosion below them from the basement well before anything above, granted this could have been a result of the plane hitting the lift shafts causing a huge fireball to run the length of the building blowing out of the lower floors.
The "eyewitnesses claimed they heard explosions" claim is a load of rubbish and you know it. What if an eyewitness claimed they saw bunny rabbits falling down the lift shafts whilst singing the national anthem? Would you believe them? Besides, the entire "explosions on the lower floor" concept is moot, because the buildings collapsed from the top down.

Gman said:
Another thing to add fuel to the argument is the fact that not long before the attacks large insurance was taken out on the on the towers as well as the owners of Boeing which more covered the cost of any such attacks many times over. Then after the attack they tried to start the insurance claim (not unusual) but they tried claim on a per plane bases that hit the towers saying they were separate acts of terrorism therefore getting them a hell of a lot more in insurance. Probably this is being looked into too much as probably any good business person would want to get as much back as possible, just seems a little off that this particular insurance was taken out only just before the attacks.
Larry Silverstein, owner of the WTC complex had been negotiating which insurance policy to take out for a long, long time before 11th September. It was a public, open process and he originally wanted to go for the cheapest cover possible. He was advised not to and settled on a slightly higher figure (This is all freely available information you can find anywhere on the 'net - except the conspiracy theory sites, that is). He was refused the right to claim it as two separate acts of terrorism and actually ended up losing money. If I recall correctly, the sum he eventually received would not have been enough to rebuild the WTC complex as it was. Then there's the fact that he's still paying a huge amount of money (The figure $110m springs to mind) every year for the land, which as it stands is making zero money.

Gman said:
There was also no investigation allowed into the base structure of the twin towers which might have proved / disproved any prior weakening to the building structure at it's base. Theres reports that this was something to do with what was stored beneath the towers, something to do with a large storage of gold (a few billion) which a large portion of it was later unaccounted for.
What on Earth are you talking about? Below the WTC complex was a car park, scene of the 1993 truck bombing. Could you provide sources for this nonsense?

Gman said:
On Building 7 the intresting thing about this is that this building was also owned by the same people who owned the twin towers. Another interesting thing about Building 7 is the way it goes down, granted the twin towers went down in a similar fashion, vertical as opposed to toppling, but Building 7 had no reason really to go that way, nothing of the same magnitude as a 747 hit it full on so why would it go down like that when not one single other sky scraper of similar design as even collapsed never mind collapsed in a demolition type fashion.
First of all, those "interesting" points are not interesting at all. Of course WTC7 was owned by Silverstein Properties - the same people who owned WTC1 and 2 - it was part of the same complex after all! Then you're ignoring the significant structural damage it was subjected to when the twin towers collapsed, and the raging fires which continued afterwards. WTC7 was home to a government command center, if I recall correctly, and as such had a number of large backup fuel tanks dotted around the building.

As for the "no other building..." point, you're ignoring the fact that WTC1, 2 and 7 were uniquely designed buildings. It was this design (which, to the best of my knowledge has still not been used in any other buildings) which made the buildings especially susceptible to pancaking. It was also this pancaking which made the building appear to come down in a "controlled demolition" style; because the floors were plummeting straight downwards and the outer structure caving in on itself.

You can find more information on the WTC7 collapse here: http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm
 
also building 7 had been reinforced and was supposedly the HQ for any emergency yet nobody was mysteriously there durin this incident, it was also the regional home to the cia and numerous other agencies including the sec who held records on and financial trading including the scam where someone stood to make millions from betting that airline and other stocks would drop dramatically that day (the only time that amount of cash has been used in this type of bet before or since i believe?)
 
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