9/11 - Controlled demolition?

[Al Vallario]

Some of the pilots of those planes were ex airforce.

I find it hard to believe that a skiny little noob killed an airforce pilot with a box knife.

You tell that to Wendy Burlingame, daughter of the pilot of American Airlines Flight 77.

Five people storming the cockpit at the same time; I don't doubt the outcome at all.

 

[neocon]

How come these alternative viewpoint documentaries don't get aired on tv?

Why can't everyone hear both sides of the argument?

 

[Cheekykid]

He listens to him and treats him exactly like he deserves to be treated. This Dave vonKleist sounds like a complete idiot. He's got his facts tangled, his sources sound unlikely to say the least and what he's doing is denouncing the official story and failing to provide an alternative on the basis that doing so would make him a "conspiracy theorist". The fact is, there is no alternative. The facts for example:

- There was actually a considerable amount of wreckage from the plane recovered from the scene. All of the wreckage supported the official story that a 757 hit the Pentagon (see photos here: http://www.911myths.com/html/757_wreckage.html), and there was no opportunity for this to be planted
- Of course the grass remained untouched; the plane did not slide across the ground as so many conspiracy theorists believe it must have done
- The hole in the wall was big enough for a 757, although I've already done this point to death

I'm quite honestly shocked that people can believe the rubbish these conspiracy theorists come up with. "Loose Change", for example, must be creating an army of easily-manipulated, ill-informed conspiracy theorists every minute...

Did you actually hear the mp3 i provided? what is your comments?

How come these alternative viewpoint documentaries don't get aired on tv?

Why can't everyone hear both sides of the argument?

Too right

 

[Al Vallario]

What about the firefighters who heared explosions?

They didn't hear explosions. It was probably just the sound of debris hitting the ground, as has already been explained. There was no controlled demolition of the base of the towers, and if there was the buildings would not have collapsed as they did.

and the land owner who said that he decided to 'pull them'?

We've been over this one so many times it's not funny. The term "pull" with regards to controlled demolition refers to the mechanical process of physically pulling a building which is in the process of being demolished. It is not a call for a controlled demolition to take place. In it's original context, it is more than clear that Larry Silverstein was talking about pulling the firefighters out of the building ("There has been enough loss of life today" etc.) as the fires were by this stage out of control. Then there's the fact that in that interview he was discussing what he said to the Fire Commander; why would he discuss a top-secret plot to perform a controlled demolition of WTC7 with the Fire Commander?

How come these alternative viewpoint documentaries don't get aired on tv?

Why can't everyone hear both sides of the argument?

Because they're a load of rubbish, there is no other side of the argument with regards to these sort of conspiracy theories (although I have no problem with discussing possible political motivations, failures of the government in identifying the threat etc.) and any television network which decided to give them airtime would be slated. Didn't you stop to think that there's a reason these conspiracy theories are, for the most part, confined to the Internet?

 

[Cheekykid]

What about the building that went down even though no plane ever hit it? Can a skyscraper collapse like that?

 

[Radiation]

For future reference, forming an opinion based on biased conspiracy theorist videos filled to the hilt with mis-information is not a good idea.

Despite the fact i find that comment very presumptuous considering you know nothing of how i formed my opinion or how long its been to come to these conclusions, i will respond.

My opinion like others is based on many things and not just what some people like to negatively call 'conspiracy' videos, you only have to look at what has come from 9/11 to see an agenda is being fulfilled whether or not it was deliberate you can't deny the many worrying outcomes that have happed and will continue to unless something is done, if anything you should be concerned with that at the very least, disbelieve the very real possibility of a corrupt and/or secret government all you like but you can't deny the state of the world today and where its possibly heading.

Unfortunately there are no videos supporting the official story, because there's no need for them - the official story actually happened.
However, I would love to compose a video that does away with all these tiresome conspiracy theories once and for all. If I had the required skills, I wouldn't give it a second thought.

What exactly do you mean by "the official story actually happened"?

We know what happened and little evidence was given as proof for the 'official' story, in fact the official story seems to be mostly conspiracy.

How does it seem unlikely? The unique design of WTC1, 2 and 7 made pancaking almost inevitable. The "major support structure" that was the core of the building would just have crumbled as the floors fell down around it.

I've not seen good evidence for that and the way building 7 alone just dropped almost perfectly into the ground is odd to be believed as anything other than a controlled demolition, thats one of the most damning pieces of evidence.

Have you not seen any footage from that day? There was paper flying all over the place, covering Manhattan. I have no doubt whatsoever that passports would have been retrieved from the rubble, still intact.

This bit was the most silly thing i've heard and you won't convince me it left an exploding plane/building intact and later found to be one of the actual terrorists on the plane, thats more absurd than any conspiracy i've seen and i've seen plenty.

 

[Cheekykid]

This bit was the most silly thing i've heard and you won't convince me it left an exploding plane/building intact and later found to be one of the actual terrorists on the plane, thats more absurd than any conspiracy i've seen and i've seen plenty.

It couldn't be said better. The passport thing is SO silly

 

[Cheekykid]

, if anything you should be concerned with that at the very least, disbelieve the very real possibility of a corrupt and/or secret government all you like but you can't deny the state of the world today and where its possibly heading.

What worries me is that there are insufficient people and therefore idea(s) which their time has come to form a change. Not enough people are fed up to actually make a radical change happen. I see another war coming with IRAN soon. God bless us.

 

[neocon]

It's only a matter of time before Channel 4 shows '911 the conspiracy', it will boost their ratings.

Theres a lot of "wackos" downloading the programmes from google and i'm sure tv people are well aware of it.

 

[Werewolf]

This bit was the most silly thing i've heard and you won't convince me it left an exploding plane/building intact and later found to be one of the actual terrorists on the plane, thats more absurd than any conspiracy i've seen and i've seen plenty.

Spend some time reading aircrash investigation reports.

It's hardly a rare or unusual thing for passports to survive a crash and subsiquent fire, even in the worst case type crashes (directly into the ground/mountainside followed by massive fire).

 

[Cheekykid]

I would like someone to hear this http://rapidshare.de/files/32429795/9-11.wma.html and tell me that Dave makes a stupid point with no grounds

 

[neocon]

Theres a lot of professors that don't believe the 911 official story.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8376790234203399920&q=911&hl=en

Surely they wouldn't say irresponsible things if they didn't believe it?

 

[Cheekykid]

Theres a lot of professors that don't believe the 911 official story.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8376790234203399920&q=911&hl=en

Surely they wouldn't say irresponsible things if they didn't believe it?

There are also experienced generals who used to work at the pentagon and they dispute the official story too.

 

[Cheekykid]

What about the building that went down even though no plane ever hit it? Can a skyscraper collapse like that?

^^^^^^^

for the guy who wants some valid points from the videos

 

[Al Vallario]

^^^^^^^

for the guy wants some valid points from the videos

http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm

That is quite possibly one of the best sources you will find for information about the collapse of World Trade Center 7. No mis-quotations, no half-truths and no endorsements from so-called academics. Just cold, hard facts.

 

[Radiation]

Spend some time reading aircrash investigation reports.

It's hardly a rare or unusual thing for passports to survive a crash and subsiquent fire, even in the worst case type crashes (directly into the ground/mountainside followed by massive fire).

I rarely discount possibility but at what point do we say enough is enough?

I imagine the passport would have been in a pocket or a bag, then it would have had to somehow fall out of it and then travelled though either an exploding plane fire or of been left in the burning building and later shot out once it started collapsing, hard to believe?

Im more concerned with why truth seems to be a rare thing these days when it comes to government and the media, I don't doubt the majority are honest good people when it comes to their personal lives and what they actually know. but there is real and worrying evidence that some dark force is at work in the major powers of the world, government, corporations etc, so where does such a worrying thing that goes directly against nature and all that is just and good come from?

Do people want any bad in the world? I doubt it, yet powers are allowed to go on causing misery and worse for greed and more power, if anyone believes this is normal then that is quite absurd, the clock is ticking, are we going to let the world turn to LANGUAGE! for some organisations short term gains?

 

[Jet]

^^^^^^^

for the guy wants some valid points from the videos

I've already explained why WTC 7 collapsed. It's in the bit above about 'fire alone wouldn't have this effect'.

And what would be the practical reason for using explosives to bring WTC 7 down? If the 2 main towers are down and can be explained by the planes hitting them why would you take down a small insignificant building as well where to the layman there would be no explanation for its demise?

 

[IceBus]

i watched it - and if you think that sounds like explosions then you haven't heard many explosions! - that was the sound of each floor hitting the other as it smashes its way down.
If they were explosions then everybody would have heard them, everyone in new york - about 19 million people - demolition explosions are really really loud.

why do people not believe the official investigations when the evidence is open and available to see by everyone??? probably the same reason people think we didn't land on the moon or that the holocost didn't hapen - because they are idiots.

How many explosions have you heard? I've heard one, in real life and it was about a mile and a half away and sounded extremely like what is heard in that video. Either you've got a terrible sound setup or are slightly deaf as the explosions occur well before the two towers collapse and are distinct from the sound of it pancaking.

People who can't hear anything either need to turn up their speakers or see a hearing specialist

Also - the white smoke is rising from the bottom of the tower well before the collapse and is distinctly different from the black smoke billowing from the hole the plane made.

Kindly refrain from calling me an idiot simply because I'm questioning the validity of some of the events on that day.

There's also an interesting section towards the end of the video about the debris cloud billowing out like a pyroclastic cloud - something that needs explosive heat. Not something you'd expect what the fires in WTC1 & WTC2 were said to be almost out shortly before collapse.

I'm not trying to be hard headed here, but from the collection of evidence I've seen and read (too much to summarise without sitting in front of the PC copying and pasting stuff from books/websites/videos etc.) there are still a lot of things that don't make sense about 9/11.

Still no one can tell me why planes that are routinely scrambled to follow aircraft that go off route/radar failed to do so on 9/11.

 

[IceBus]

Spend some time reading aircrash investigation reports.

It's hardly a rare or unusual thing for passports to survive a crash and subsiquent fire, even in the worst case type crashes (directly into the ground/mountainside followed by massive fire).

I don't disagree with that Wolfy, I just think it seems extremely fortunate that the one passport found happened to belong one of the hijackers and not one of the others passengers.

I wouldn't use that as evidence though as something being implausible doesn't make it impossible. It's more the claims of the hijackers being alive by the BBC and Guardian I'm interested in - to me that's a strong counter-argument as the CIA still haven't changed their list of hijackers to reflect some are still alive.

 

[Curiosityx]

Oh look a 12 page thread of complete and utter non-sense, each person giving his or her "compelling" argument or conspiricy theory to what happened that day.

Ill tell you what happened 2973 died that day and it changed the world as we know it, For the love of god stop dragging this through the mud and think a minute ive never seen such disrespect.

I personally know people who have lost family or friends through the tragedy that occured and they are not allowed a moments peace to carry on with there lives whilst the matter is brought up time and time again, the media are just as much at fault as anyone else.

Pathetic..