9/11 Terrorists

[..] During the second world war the US government knew the precise date Pearl Harbour was to be attacked and they let it happen so they had an excuse to join the war. That is not conspiracy theory. Declassified documents prove it. [..]

Unsurprisingly, that is not true.

If you think it is, provide references to those alleged documents you claim prove it and explain how they do so.
 
From what I remember they got into the cockpit quite quickly, locked the door and stayed there, the passengers didn't even know what was going on.

Also, from memory because pretty much every previous hijacking had been with the intent to use the crew/passengers as bargaining chips, with the only deaths usually being because they became a threat to the hijackers, or the hijackers wanted to make a point.
Hence the flight crew were trained to co-operate, and the passengers would have assumed that as long as they did what they were told they would most likely be ok.

Basically it relied at least in part on the fact that historically the safest thing to do was to do what you were told and look non threatening.
It would never work now, as the flight crew and passengers will always have "what if they want to crash us into something" in the back of their minds.

It's exactly the same reason prior to 9/11 a hijacked aircraft didn't usually warrant a fighter escort, and why even when it started to become clear what had happened with the first couple of planes it's unlikely fighters had orders to shoot the others down for a bit (that generally requires quite high level authority).
Not to mention prior to 9/11 the US airforce was concerned with threats entering it's airspace, thus most of the ready fighters were based around the coast/borders of the country.

Now the procedure for the fighter escort is well established and I think has been used many times for drunken passengers causing a disturbance, as it's better safe than sorry given what happened then.
 
If one considers 9/11 was an inside job, one should look into the money.

9/11 forced Fed to pump in a lot of money into the economy to avoid full blown world financial collapse, as well as lowering interest rates later to stimulate the economy. One might argue all that led to the madness that is sub-prime mortgage craze and consequent bubble that caused good old credit crunch.
Don't forget the increase in spendings for security, massive increases.
9/11 and it's consequences including Iraq war skyrocketed budget deficit under Bush.

Now tell me if 9/11 was an inside job what were they thinking? That event cost the US government huge amounts of money just to not let their country fail financially only to later help create cause sub-prime mortgage crisis and sovereign debt crisis we're in now.

So why would USA government conspire 9/11, the USA sure as hell did not benefit.

Edit: http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/spotlight/the911decade/2011/08/201183083713316460.html
According to that overall cost was around $5 trillion.
If you don't like source do the calculations yourselves.
 
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I don't see why you find it so hard to believe the US or any government would kill its own people. In the late 1800's the US government blew one it its own warships up and blamed it on the Spanish. During the second world war the US government knew the precise date Pearl Harbour was to be attacked and they let it happen so they had an excuse to join the war. That is not conspiracy theory. Declassified documents prove it. These are just 2 examples of provable false flag terrorism acts from the US government. 9/11 was Americas burning of the reichstag.

The US government allowed 9/11 to happen for a few reasons.

To use it as an excuse to invade Iraq. They linked Al Qaeda to Iraq and Saddam when they knew there was no link (just like there were no weapons of mass destruction). The cheeky ******** now try and deny they ever made the link between Al Qaeda and Saddam.

To try and keep us in fear. Watch the BBC documentary the power of nightmares. Keeping us in fear of the terrorists has allowed governments to bring in the draconian laws that have been brought in to keep us safe from terrorists.

I am sure there are more reasons as to why 9/11 happened.

They done something called problem-reaction-solution. That is

Create the problem = 9/11.

Then wait for the reaction = people asking/begging/demanding the government to keep them safe from the terrorists.

Then come in with your pre-planned solutions = all the draconian laws passed in order to keep us safe from terrorists.

The elite/illuminate laugh at us. They think we are stupid and call us the sheeple and the useless eaters. They are creating the new world order before our eyes yet people still sleep. Nowadays they openly speak about the new world order on the news. They tend to call it the global village or globalisation.

Did you know under the united nations agenda 21 they want the end to private ownership of housing and businesses in every country? They want all businesses around the world to be government owned. I call that fascism not democracy. All united nations agendas are global.

The new world order government is going to be a communist one.

This post made me burst out in laughter. Now please link past events with lizard men, I am sure you believe lizard men are helping to bring new communist world order (insert more scary words that are demonized by the dim-witted public) I'm genuinely surprised you didn't drag fascism into your little theory.
 
This post made me burst out in laughter. Now please link past events with lizard men, I am sure you believe lizard men are helping to bring new communist world order (insert more scary words that are demonized by the dim-witted public) I'm genuinely surprised you didn't drag fascism into your little theory.

I was wondering if the Lizard men were involved and you have mentioned it so therefore it is now fact, That's how the internet works. :p :D
 
What you got to ask yourself is:

Yea how did the terrorists manage to hijack an airliner learn how to fly it as if it were a fighter jet, and crash not only one but two planes into the trade towers without alerting the air force?!

Also ask yourself why were the black box flight recorders never found? I'm pretty sure there has never been a civilian airline crash where the black box has not been found. The Air France jet that crashed in the Atlantic two years ago en route to Paris from Rio de Janeiro was found at the bottom on the ocean!

Ow don't forget the trade towers collapsed form the bottom.... when the planes crash in the top half.
 
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9/11 does fascinate me, I think I've read every article, watched all the videos and seen all the pictures. I'm sad I never saw the trade centers in person prior to this but even then I probably would have just looked at them and thought nothing.

I just can't help thinking what was going through the passengers heads when flying so low in NYC, I hate flying so the thought is scary :(
 
What you got to ask yourself is:

Yea how did the terrorists manage to hijack an airliner learn how to fly it as if it were a fighter jet

Wrong. They didn't fly the planes as if it they were fighter jets. They flew the planes poorly, for a brief period of time, with some help from the autopilot.

American Airlines Flight 11 was hijacked at 08:14 and hit the WTC at 08:46, 32 minutes later. United Airlines Flight 175 was hijacked at 08:44 and hit the WTC at 09:03, 19 minutes later. American Airlines Flight 77 was hijacked at 08:53 and hit the Pentagon at 09:37, 44 minutes later. United Airlines Flight 93 was hijacked at 09:28 and hit the ground at 10:03, 35 minutes later. Average flight duration: a mere 32.5 minutes.

The hijackers had sufficient training to fly the planes in the required manner, for the necessary duration, and their targets were easy to hit.

and crash not only one but two planes into the trade towers without alerting the air force?!

Wrong. The air force was alerted.

8:46: Two F-15 fighter jets are ordered to scramble from Otis Air National Guard Base in Massachusetts, intended to intercept Flight 11. Because Flight 11's transponder is off, the pilots do not know the location of their target. NEADS spends the next several minutes watching their radar screens in anticipation of Flight 11 returning a radar contact.

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10:39: Another hijacked jumbo jet is claimed to be headed for Washington, D.C. F-15s are scrambled and patrol the airspace above Washington, D.C. while other fighter jets sweep the airspace above New York City. They have orders, first issued by Vice President Cheney and later confirmed by President Bush, to shoot down any potentially dangerous planes that do not comply with orders given to them via radio. Eventually, the aircraft is revealed to be a medevac helicopter on its way to the Pentagon.

(Source).

Also ask yourself why were the black box flight recorders never found?

Wrong. Black boxes from at least two planes were recovered. A recording from the Flight 93 box was submitted as evidence in the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui.

Flight 77:

Early in the morning on Friday, September 14, Fairfax County Urban Search and Rescue Team members Carlton Burkhammer and Brian Moravitz came across an "intact seat from the plane's cockpit", while paramedics and firefighters located the two black boxes near the punch out hole in the A-E drive, nearly 300 feet (91 m) into the building. The cockpit voice recorder was too badly damaged and charred to retrieve any information, though the flight data recorder yielded useful information.

(Source).

Contradicting conspiracy theorists' claim of a missile's hitting the Pentagon, airplane debris including Flight 77's black boxes, the nose cone, landing gear, an airplane tire, and an intact cockpit seat were observed at the crash site. The remains of passengers from Flight 77 were indeed found at the Pentagon crash site and their identities confirmed by DNA analysis.

(Source).

Flight 93:

Subsequent analysis of the flight recorders recovered from the crash site revealed how the actions taken by the passengers prevented the aircraft from reaching the hijackers' intended target. Of the four aircraft hijacked on September 11 – the others were American Airlines Flight 11, American Airlines Flight 77 and United Airlines Flight 175 – United Airlines Flight 93 was the only one that failed to reach its hijackers' intended target.

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The FBI subsequently allowed the relatives of the Flight 93 victims to listen to the recording in a closed session on April 18, 2002. Jurors for the Zacarias Moussaoui trial heard the tape as part of the proceedings and the transcript was publicly released on April 12, 2006.

(Source).

I'm pretty sure there has never been a civilian airline crash where the black box has not been found.

Even if this is true it's irrelevant because (a) there have been cases where the black box was found but damaged beyond use, and (b) the nature of the 9/11 plane crashes meant that the likelihood of the black boxes surviving in a usable state was extremely low, so the fact that even two were recovered in at least partial working condition is quite remarkable.

Ow don't forget the trade towers collapsed form the bottom.....

Wrong. They collapsed from the top.

Both buildings collapsed symmetrically and more or less straight down, though there was some tilting of the tops of the towers and a significant amount of fallout to the sides. In both cases, the portion of the building that had been damaged by the airplanes failed, which allowed the section above the airplane impacts to fall onto the undamaged structure below.

As the collapse progressed, dust and debris could be seen shooting out of the windows several floors below the advancing destruction. The first fragments of the outer walls of the collapsed North Tower struck the ground 11 seconds after the collapse started, and parts of the South Tower after 9 seconds.

The lower portions of both buildings' cores (60 stories of WTC 1 and 40 stories of WTC 2) remained standing for up to 25 seconds after the start of the initial collapse before they too collapsed.

(Source).
 
I've listened to a few of the conspiracy theories surrounding 9/11 and no matter how plausible they might sound I'm always brought back to the same question: why would the US government conspire to kill it's own people?

I've yet to hear a convincing answer.

May I suggest a read of
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/0865715408/ref=redir_mdp_mobile/280-8823308-5275625

Crossing the rubicorn


Bloody good book on possible motives of 9/11 and pretty much the past 30 years of USA policy. And before you bash it plead read it first.
 
Also, from memory because pretty much every previous hijacking had been with the intent to use the crew/passengers as bargaining chips, with the only deaths usually being because they became a threat to the hijackers, or the hijackers wanted to make a point.
Hence the flight crew were trained to co-operate, and the passengers would have assumed that as long as they did what they were told they would most likely be ok.

Basically it relied at least in part on the fact that historically the safest thing to do was to do what you were told and look non threatening.
It would never work now, as the flight crew and passengers will always have "what if they want to crash us into something" in the back of their minds.

It's exactly the same reason prior to 9/11 a hijacked aircraft didn't usually warrant a fighter escort, and why even when it started to become clear what had happened with the first couple of planes it's unlikely fighters had orders to shoot the others down for a bit (that generally requires quite high level authority).
Not to mention prior to 9/11 the US airforce was concerned with threats entering it's airspace, thus most of the ready fighters were based around the coast/borders of the country.

Now the procedure for the fighter escort is well established and I think has been used many times for drunken passengers causing a disturbance, as it's better safe than sorry given what happened then.

Yep and it was only when some of the passengers spoke to relatives on the phone, that they were told what was going to happen, which is why one ended up in a field.
 
Nice of you to swallow the official version given that even the CIA does not know what happened and the official 'inquiry' was a huge cover up.

What about the van of potential Israeli agents that was found with explosives on 9/11?

Absolute tosh!

It has long been known that these five Israelis were a group of amateur journalists in a medium sized white van, working for a removals company.

As any diligent journalist would do, they took the opportunity to use the equipment that they always took with them while working video the entirely unexpected event.

After arrest, they were detained for a few months and then deported. Exactly the same thing happened to all the other foreign journalists and tourists who videoed the aftermath of 9/11.

Nothing of significance should be read into the fact that their boss, the owner of the removals company returned to Israel as soon as practicably possible.


Just because Netanyahu told an audience at Bar Ilan university a few years ago that "We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq" one should not imagine that the Israelis had any foreknowledge or in fact anything at all to do with either incident.


You really are a gullible soul.
 
Absolute tosh!

It has long been known that these five Israelis were a group of amateur journalists in a medium sized white van, working for a removals company.

As any diligent journalist would do, they took the opportunity to use the equipment that they always took with them while working video the entirely unexpected event......

I have read reports which had them cheering and whooping for joy when the police officer sighted them - obviously not on "official" MSM sites.

On approaching the individuals, they said to him "We are not your problem Police Officer. The Palestinians are".

True or not, the thought of it is very unsettling.
 
I have read reports which had them cheering and whooping for joy when the police officer sighted them - obviously not on "official" MSM sites.


On approaching the individuals, they said to him "We are not your problem Police Officer. The Palestinians are".

I can guess the sorts of sites it would be on, probably most of the ones in certain posters favourites...

True or not, the thought of it is very unsettling.

Indeed, who could imagine the sorts of sick people that would whoop and cheer such a horrific event...
 
The real reason for the ME war was to wipe out Israel's enemies. First Iraq and then Iran then Syria - all on the Neo-Con 'Axis of Evil'.

Israel didn't benefit from the Iraq war, swapping a sunni counterpoint of Iran with an sympathetic shia state is not at all in Israel's long term benefit.
 
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