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970's having performance issues using 4GB Vram - Nvidia investigating

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Mei said:
altho i think thats also a little shady to the tech n00bs i could so pwn u on that argument kaap :)
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It is a very sore point with me.

When I built my first PC I did not know that much about GPUs.

I went to a PC store and asked for the 2 fastest cards the guy could recommend. The assistant produced a couple of GTX 295s which I thought were great, I thought they were single GPU cards with lots of memory.

I got a bit of a shock when I found out they were dual GPU cards with very little memory and obsolete in no time.

I did not complain about it though and just put it down to experience.

The point I am making is people do get caught out by the way information is displayed on the boxes.

I am big enough to admit that I got caught out but how many other people have also been caught out by this sort of thing.:)
 
Kaapstad said:
It is a very sore point with me.

When I built my first PC I did not know that much about GPUs.

I went to a PC store and asked for the 2 fastest cards the guy could recommend. The assistant produced a couple of GTX 295s which I thought were great, I thought they were single GPU cards with lots of memory.

I got a bit of a shock when I found out they were dual GPU cards with very little memory and obsolete in no time.

I did not complain about it though and just put it down to experience.

The point I am making is people do get caught out by the way information is displayed on the boxes.

I am big enough to admit that I got caught out but how many other people have also been caught out by this sort of thing.:)
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I get your point Kaap and do feel the pain of those caught out but had they read any reviews or info online they would have been informed unlike the gtx970 owners as the info was simply withheld.
 
TheRealDeal said:
All the info was there on release so your point is mute. The same can't be said for the gtx970.You could be a tech guru and if you were not an Nvidia engineer you would still not have known any different but we could all tell how the 5970 vram was allocated. Basically no facts on the 5970 were hidden.
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Yes plus, you buy the card online nowadays, so you've no idea what it sais on the box do you...or even care.....but the card has to be right on the Nvidia website and here too
 
Kaapstad said:
I own a couple of these cards and I could argue that I have been misled by false advertising.

It states that it has 2gb of VRAM
It does not state that it is a dual GPU card.

This means that if I am not tech savvy I could make the mistake of thinking I am buying a single GPU card with 2gb available to the core.

I could also miss the fact that CF is required to get the most out of both cores.

I could also buy a product that is totally unsuitable for the case I have because of the dual cores, this card uses more watts than a 290X.:eek:

As a non tech savvy consumer I find the front of the box totally misleading.
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This and other arguments like this are beyond stupid. If you an others feel that you have been lied to or given misleading specifications then, yes, you should make a stand. Let companies know that consumers won't stand for this kind of thing. So go start another thread about these issues because they don't belong in this thread.

This is a Nvidia problem, purely Nvidia, none of the other examples, analogies etc. are exactly like this issue at hand.
 
Kaapstad said:
It is a very sore point with me.

When I built my first PC I did not know that much about GPUs.

I went to a PC store and asked for the 2 fastest cards the guy could recommend. The assistant produced a couple of GTX 295s which I thought were great, I thought they were single GPU cards with lots of memory.

I got a bit of a shock when I found out they were dual GPU cards with very little memory and obsolete in no time.

I did not complain about it though and just put it down to experience.

The point I am making is people do get caught out by the way information is displayed on the boxes.

I am big enough to admit that I got caught out but how many other people have also been caught out by this sort of thing.:)
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oh a lot! must be the #1 thing thats laughed at on gfx forums when a noob doesnt realise its memory per gpu
i dont agree with that either and its sad its now an accepted standard, which is double the reason this shouldnt be an accepted standard!

making pc's more confusing for the consumer is really bad for any1 but the console lovers, ok i like me some wii-u but i love my pc gaming too, it needs to be made easier not harder *rambles on*
 
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melmac said:
This and other arguments like this are beyond stupid. If you an others feel that you have been lied to or given misleading specifications then, yes, you should make a stand. Let companies know that consumers won't stand for this kind of thing. So go start another thread about these issues because they don't belong in this thread.

This is a Nvidia problem, purely Nvidia, none of the other examples, analogies etc. are exactly like this issue at hand.
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I think it is a very solid argument indeed.

While we are on the subject why did the reviewers get 290Xs that performed better than the retail ones, did I get misled by AMD ?

Why did AMD not print on the boxes for the 290Xs what type of memory was on the cards as the performance is different if you have Hynix or Elpida.

Worse still if you had the wrong type of memory on your 290X you stood a much higher chance of black screens.

Did AMD mislead their customers ?

This thread has become a debate on manufacturers misleading their customers.
 
james.miller said:
It bothers me because people are lying about the performance of the card (single card). Then other people believe the lies, then it snowballs. I've said enough times people are more entitled to send their cards back if they want to so quite why I'm back here having this discussion again I dont know.


It absolutely is for me as, unlike a lot of people in this thread, i actually own one.
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Again why does it bother you? It doesn't affect you in any way. You are happy with your card.

I haven't seen people lying about their cards, how do know they are lying? Just because you aren't having problems? Most people haven't complained about performance at all, it's that Nvidia have lied to them. Or they feel Nvidia have lied to them and there is a mistrust there.

I see mostly 970 owners in this thread, and, most seem to be keeping their cards. And it's mostly owners in other forums too. Of course there are a few trolls, but they exist on both sides.
 
Kaapstad said:
I think it is a very solid argument indeed.

While we are on the subject why did the reviewers get 290Xs that performed better than the retail ones, did I get misled by AMD ?

Why did AMD not print on the boxes for the 290Xs what type of memory was on the cards as the performance is different if you have Hynix or Elpida.

Worse still if you had the wrong type of memory on your 290X you stood a much higher chance of black screens.

Did AMD mislead their customers ?

This thread has become a debate on manufacturers misleading their customers.
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lol thats fair debate also and that took some research, which made it more complicated than it had to be
but the information was atleast there if you searched for it?
the 970 specs were not?
 
Just buy a single Titan, ignore all GPU news for 2 years while gaming on max settings and amuse yourself thinking of all of people who said it was a stupid card to buy.
 
Mei said:
lol thats fair debate also and that took some research, which made it more complicated than it had to be
but the information was atleast there if you searched for it?
the 970 specs were not?
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A customer should not have to search for important facts, they should be prominent on the packaging, this applies to both AMD and NVidia.:)
 
Kaap every bit of information you need to know about a product is there for you to read about. The same could not be said about a gtx970. Salt and gpu's are not in the same league money wise. You can bring up point after point but none of them bare any relation to what's happened with the gtx970.
 
Kaapstad said:
I think it is a very solid argument indeed.

While we are on the subject why did the reviewers get 290Xs that performed better than the retail ones, did I get misled by AMD ?

Why did AMD not print on the boxes for the 290Xs what type of memory was on the cards as the performance is different if you have Hynix or Elpida.

Worse still if you had the wrong type of memory on your 290X you stood a much higher chance of black screens.

Did AMD mislead their customers ?

This thread has become a debate on manufacturers misleading their customers.
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What the hell does AMD misleading customers have to do with this topic? I might be a solid argument if this thread was about this but, it isn't. The only reason that this is been brought up at all is to deflect away from the issue at hand, mainly by Nvidia supporters on this forum.

As I said, if you have been lied to you and feel like giving out about, open a thread, in fact I am pretty sure there is a thread about the 290 and the review samples already, so for people who want to want to complain about that, go post in that thread.

This is about the 970 and Nvidia and what they are going to do about it. Bringing Apple, Samsung, AMD etc. into this is pointless and not helping anybody at all.
 
TheRealDeal said:
Kaap every bit of information you need to know on a product is there for you to read about. The same could not be said about a gtx970. Salt and gpu's are not in the same league money wise. You can bring up point after point but none of them bare any relation to what's happened with the gtx970.
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No one should have to trawl the internet to find out basic facts about a product.

This is assuming the person knows where to look as well.

Is it right for people who are not so tech savvy to be at a disadvantage when buying products because they don't know where to look on the net for the information they need.

It should be prominent on the packaging if it is important.:)
 
Kaapstad said:
A customer should not have to search for important facts, they should be prominent on the packaging, this applies to both AMD and NVidia.:)
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i agree totally, but i think why this one created so much nerd rage is it even fooled the tech savy? you have to look how the 970 was launched beside the 980 with similar specs and much lower price

it looked like the smart buy on paper to the techy people, so they go buy water blocks and gsync, at that stage they locked in

i should think it fooled 10000% less people than the dual gpu example,
less ppl but the rage was big!
 
melmac said:
What the hell does AMD misleading customers have to do with this topic? I might be a solid argument if this thread was about this but, it isn't. The only reason that this is been brought up at all is to deflect away from the issue at hand, mainly by Nvidia supporters on this forum.

As I said, if you have been lied to you and feel like giving out about, open a thread, in fact I am pretty sure there is a thread about the 290 and the review samples already, so for people who want to want to complain about that, go post in that thread.

This is about the 970 and Nvidia and what they are going to do about it. Bringing Apple, Samsung, AMD etc. into this is pointless and not helping anybody at all.
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The point I am making is all manufacturers should play by and be judged by the same rules. It is that simple.
 
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