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970's having performance issues using 4GB Vram - Nvidia investigating

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Just cancelled a preorder for he 970 until there's something more solid info from NV
What can nvidia do really?, there were some talks/rumours of a driver optimization for making the 512mb of vram more efficient, the official forums are awash with complaints. I can't believe nvidia did not disclose the true specifications and how the memory sytem works when they gave units to reviewers. Maybe they are working fast on a new maxwell GPU that will replace the 970?.
 
What can nvidia do really?, there were some talks/rumours of a driver optimization for making the 512mb of vram more efficient, the official forums are awash with complaints. I can't believe nvidia did not disclose the true specifications and how the memory sytem works when they gave units to reviewers. Maybe they are working fast on a new maxwell GPU that will replace the 970?.

Could possibly nick a trick out of AMD's book and release a 975. The 970 with this simple fix :p
 
What can nvidia do really?, there were some talks/rumours of a driver optimization for making the 512mb of vram more efficient, the official forums are awash with complaints. I can't believe nvidia did not disclose the true specifications and how the memory sytem works when they gave units to reviewers. Maybe they are working fast on a new maxwell GPU that will replace the 970?.

Make sure people get refunds for GTX970 cards so they can give even more money to Nvidia to get a GTX980??

I am not sure even Apple managed that one TBH!! :p

I would be doing a victory jig in Nvidia HQ - JHH might just get another supercar this month!!

Imagine the next Nvidia earnings call.

"We made even more money this quarter driven by d...sorry loyal customers exchanging their GTX970 cards for GTX980 cards. We shall be extending this programme in the future to build even more customer driven pro..sorry.. confidence in the brand!"

Its bloody hilarious - people could just turn down a setting and their GTX970 cards would be fine,and I would expect future drivers might limit any issues anyway.

I bet Nvidia would have wished they misadvertised the specs of the GTX470 and GTX570!! :p
 
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Ummmm

I know the 970 is great value and still a fantastic card....

However my new new 980 is a little more than a few percent better

My top stable Fire Strike Overclock on the Inno3d 970, was 10497

My top stable Fire Strike Overclock on the Inno3d 980 is 13467

I appreciate my new card is a fantastically fast card and it is a huge leap from the 970 but the performance is a lot higher than a few percent.... more like 28%
My heaven benches were 71 vrs 90

is this indicative of the difference in the cards as a whole or I missing something.
 
it all comes down to how you use your gpu and what res. some more powerful cards cant stretch legs at lower res.

the higher the res settings is where you see them shine.

upto 1080 it is nothing in it. at higher res you should a nice difference.
 
niel ill tell you now. your card is fine. keep it.

nothing to trouble it for quite a while. lot of scare mongary.

you know the score. the games that might trouble a 970 trouble all cards and 99 percent made by ubisoft :p


bf hardline runs better on 970 than 290x :) who would have thought it with such a crippled card :D

next game watch ;)

I hear that! :cool::cool:
 
Its bloody hilarious - people could just turn down a setting and their GTX970 cards would be fine,and I would expect future drivers might limit any issues anyway.

I bet Nvidia would have wished they misadvertised the specs of the GTX470 and GTX570!! :p

You're missing the point. If we can"just turn down a setting" then maybe we could have just spent less on a weaker card?. The card shouldn't need knocking down a notch that's the whole point, and why we paid more for this card over a weaker and cheaper one.
 
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Gibbo,

I got my refund for the gtx 970 today but no refund for the postage. I sent the invoice via the rmadocuments link. Does the refund get processed seperately?
 
Can someone ELI5 why Nvidia gimped the memory on the 970? Why didn't they implement a full functioning 4GB?
 
Gibbo,

I got my refund for the gtx 970 today but no refund for the postage. I sent the invoice via the rmadocuments link. Does the refund get processed seperately?

Post in CS, Bailey will sort or inform you how it works. :)
 
You're missing the point. If we can"just turn down a setting" then maybe we could have just spent less on a weaker card?. The card shouldn't need knocking down a notch that's the whole point, and why we paid more for this card over a weaker and cheaper one.

It depends on the card and the game, Example, I've just had delivered yesterday a 1440 res monitor, BenQ BL2710PT in fact, and I'm using a Galax GTX 970 exoc with it. Now, I don't have any new games, but I've currently been spending the day trying out various older games, Crysis, crysis2 and crysis 3 and COH tales of valor. Also gave heaven and valley benchies a go. Now, all I've had to do in Crysis 3 to get average 55-60fps in game is turn down shaders to high from very high, thats one setting. This is obviously dependant on the game level being played and whats on the screen at the time. It can drop to around the low 40s, but only once have I seen below that figure. I can't see any visual difference, but the fps increases sufficiently to give a lot smoother gameplay which also negates the input lag of the screen which is noticeable but not obtrusive.
My point being that I think a lot of people here are assuming that having to turn down a setting or two is the end of the world, it isn't. If you're a hard core gamer then this would probably be an issue, but for a lot of people, like me, its not. If I buy a few games in the future and encounter Vram issues that cannot be remedied by reducing one or two settings, then I will replace the 970 and get an AMD replacement, I certainly will not be giving Nvidia any more of my hard earned dosh (the issue I have with them is misrepresentation of a product that "THEY" supplied and giving absolutely NO explanation, apology, or anything related to this debacle, thats what I'm a bit peeved with.

And good on Ocuk and Gibbo, et al wrt their customers, absolutely top notch.
 
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It depends on the card and the game, Example, I've just had delivered yesterday a 1440 res monitor, BenQ BL2710PT in fact, and I'm using a Galax GTX 970 exoc with it. Now, I don't have any new games, but I've currently been spending the day trying out various older games, Crysis, crysis2 and crysis 3 and COH tales of valor. Also gave heaven and valley benchies a go. Now, all I've had to do in Crysis 3 to get average 55-60fps in game is turn down shaders to high from very high, thats one setting. This is obviously dependant on the game level being played and whats on the screen at the time. It can drop to around the low 40s, but only once have I seen below that figure. I can't see any visual difference, but the fps increases sufficiently to give a lot smoother gameplay which also negates the input lag of the screen which is noticeable but not obtrusive.
My point being that I think a lot of people here are assuming that having to turn down a setting or two is the end of the world, it isn't. If you're a hard core gamer then this would probably be an issue, but for a lot of people, like me, its not. If I buy a few games in the future and encounter Vram issues that cannot be remedied by reducing one or two settings, then I will replace the 970 and get an AMD replacement, I certainly will not be giving Nvidia any more of my hard earned dosh (the issue I have with them is misrepresentation of a product that "THEY" supplied and giving absolutely NO explanation, apology, or anything related to this debacle, thats what I'm a bit peeved with.

And good on Ocuk and Gibbo, et al wrt their customers, absolutely top notch.

It doesn't depend on anything. Nvidia lied and people were mislead on the specs.

Whether or not it runs game x or y means nothing and trying to justify the lies on that basis is a waste of Internet.
 
Make sure people get refunds for GTX970 cards so they can give even more money to Nvidia to get a GTX980??

I am not sure even Apple managed that one TBH!! :p

I would be doing a victory jig in Nvidia HQ - JHH might just get another supercar this month!!

Imagine the next Nvidia earnings call.

"We made even more money this quarter driven by d...sorry loyal customers exchanging their GTX970 cards for GTX980 cards. We shall be extending this programme in the future to build even more customer driven pro..sorry.. confidence in the brand!"

Its bloody hilarious - people could just turn down a setting and their GTX970 cards would be fine,and I would expect future drivers might limit any issues anyway.

I bet Nvidia would have wished they misadvertised the specs of the GTX470 and GTX570!! :p

if AMD had a better offering then I'm sure people would be happy to have an AMD card instead. Infact they probably would have bought AMD cards instead of a 970 in the first place.

Getting a bit boring listing to people complaining about 970 owners returning their cards for 980s.

Can someone ELI5 why Nvidia gimped the memory on the 970? Why didn't they implement a full functioning 4GB?

It's directly related to the 1x disabled block of L2 cache. I guess enough cores had 1x faulty block of L2 that 7x blocks, instead of 8x, became part of the spec for the 970. they probably could release 970's with all 8x enabled (if yeilds are good enough) but i guess they wouldn't be 970's then. 970ti i suppose lol
 
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It depends on the card and the game, Example, I've just had delivered yesterday a 1440 res monitor, BenQ BL2710PT in fact, and I'm using a Galax GTX 970 exoc with it. Now, I don't have any new games, but I've currently been spending the day trying out various older games, Crysis, crysis2 and crysis 3 and COH tales of valor. Also gave heaven and valley benchies a go. Now, all I've had to do in Crysis 3 to get average 55-60fps in game is turn down shaders to high from very high, thats one setting. This is obviously dependant on the game level being played and whats on the screen at the time. It can drop to around the low 40s, but only once have I seen below that figure. I can't see any visual difference, but the fps increases sufficiently to give a lot smoother gameplay which also negates the input lag of the screen which is noticeable but not obtrusive.
My point being that I think a lot of people here are assuming that having to turn down a setting or two is the end of the world, it isn't. If you're a hard core gamer then this would probably be an issue, but for a lot of people, like me, its not. If I buy a few games in the future and encounter Vram issues that cannot be remedied by reducing one or two settings, then I will replace the 970 and get an AMD replacement, I certainly will not be giving Nvidia any more of my hard earned dosh (the issue I have with them is misrepresentation of a product that "THEY" supplied and giving absolutely NO explanation, apology, or anything related to this debacle, thats what I'm a bit peeved with.

And good on Ocuk and Gibbo, et al wrt their customers, absolutely top notch.

whoooosh
 
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