970's having performance issues using 4GB Vram - Nvidia investigating

[sprite1275]

Isn't the power difference between a290x - 970 about 90w when gaming?

 

[Final8y]

People are prepared to pay more for an nvidia card. You only have to look in the 300-series thread, where people are saying the new AMD card needs to beat the 980 and also expect it to cost £150 less, to see that.

That indicates the nvidia 'premium' that people are willing to pay.

Indeed.

 

[james.miller]

But my point was not about the price between the 970 and the 290x, you made it about that, you say you get my point but everything you said thus far shows that you dont regardless of whether you think it was on topic or not.

And now i have better thing to do.

And how many times have I said your point doesn't apply to 970s or this thread? And yet you still go on but no, sure, I'm the one struggling to understand

 

[Gregster]

People are prepared to pay more for an nvidia card. You only have to look in the 300-series thread, where people are saying the new AMD card needs to beat the 980 and also expect it to cost £150 less, to see that.

That indicates the nvidia 'premium' that people are willing to pay.

They sure are, as with market share being 72% to 28% in favour of nVidia on the last count (or something like that), you can see that people are happy to pay the extra. I have no idea why but for me personally, I bought nVidia for the feature set. I like ShadowPlay and use it a lot (as seen from my youtube channel), I like PhysX and feel it adds extra bits to games that I would rather have. I like G-Sync, which makes my games nice and smooth. I like quick SLI support, which still seems to be ahead of AMD in CF support.

These are the reasons I chose nVidia this time but the future could be different.

 

[Final8y]

And how many times have I said your point doesn't apply to 970s or this thread? And yet you still go on but no, sure, I'm the one struggling to understand

Yes you are because it does not matter if you think it is on topic or not, it does not change the point which you dont understand.
And examples and and side context does not have to strictly adhere solely to the 970.

Going by your view an analogy could never be used.

 

[Gregster]

Yes you are because it does not matter if you think it is on topic or not, it does not change the point.

But my point was not about the price between the 970 and the 290x, you made it about that, you say you get my point but everything you said thus far shows that you dont regardless of whether you think it was on topic or not.

And now i have better thing to do.

Why are you still banging on about this rubbish? Do what you said and do something better.

 

[Final8y]

W...

What was that i was not listening.

 

[james.miller]

What was that i was not listening.

wow that's mature.

Final8y, everybody here knows what point you were trying to make - that people pay a premium for cards and use any excuse to justify it. We all get the point, even if it is flawed.

My first reply to you could have been more direct i suppose. Instead of asking where the premium on the 970 was, i should have just said "prices are broadly the same betwene the 970 and competing cards, therefor your point doesnt apply to the 970. This thread is about recent discoveries regarding the 970 and nothing else, therefor if you want to talk about people paying premiums then start another thread". Yes, that would have been easier for you to understand.

But no, you sit there with your fingers in your ears, questioning our intelligence whilst doing so.

 

[Final8y]

wow that's mature.

Final8y, everybody here knows what point you were trying to make - that people pay a premium for cards and use any excuse to justify it. We all get the point, even if it is flawed.

As far as my response to Greg, its implies that im not reading what he is posting but i dont expect you to get that either.

And i have already implied that the 970 is the exception to the rule, but just because the 970 is the exception to the rule that does not change the over all point. but you are trying your best to make it so, but the fact are the facts that over all users pay a premium for NV products, but because you didn't like that fact you used the 970 to rebuff and in doing so perpetuate to the very thing to what you think is off topic.

And i think enough has been said of the matter now, time to move on, my point has been made regardless of how you feel about it.

 

[Harlequin]

I'm not the one complaining about fanboys rather than getting on with discussion. "pot kettle black" is completely unjustified therefor i dont think you have a scooby what you're talking about.

it is totally justified - the equivalent of you putting your fingers in your ears and going ` ner ner im not listening` when anyone says anything remotely good about AMD products.

power useage for what is coming on being an 18 month old card for example....

 

[Gregster]

As far as my response to Greg, its implies that im not reading what he is posting but i dont expect you to get that either.

And i have already implied that the 970 is the exception to the rule, but just because the 970 is the exception to the rule that does not change the over all point. but you are trying your best to make it so, but the fact are the facts that over all users pay a premium for NV products, but because you didn't like that fact you used the 970 to rebuff and in doing so perpetuate to the very thing to what you think is off topic.

And i think enough has been said of the matter now, time to move on, my point has been made regardless of how you feel about it.

• James owns a 970.
• This thread is about the 970
• You talk about everything except the 970

Seriously, you are being obtuse and stubborn to validate your own choices and not allowing anyone else to have a point that doesn't think the same as you. A very immature way of looking at things and not really justified in this thread. It isn't like you even own nVidia, let alone a 970 and then have the cheek to whinge about inflated nVidia prices.

Crazy talk.

 

[~>Dg<~]

power usage many argue if you a gamer doesn't matter but it does to the cost.

often a power hungry card can mean a psu upgrade which is often 100 quid on top of gpu card price.

that alone has cost 290 sales a lot.

 

[james.miller]

it is totally justified - the equivalent of you putting your fingers in your ears and going ` ner ner im not listening` when anyone says anything remotely good about AMD products.

power useage for what is coming on being an 18 month old card for example....

Apologies Harlequin i must have read that wrong, i assumed you were talking about me.

Power usage is valid though, for people it makes a different to. The age of the card doesnt really factor in to it - it's still AMDs current line up at the moment and it wont just disappear when the 390x is released. It will be replaced at some point with a 3xx based product that offers the same performance with reduced consumption etc, that's the point when the 290x becomes harder to justify, if buying new at least. But no, comparisons are valid to competing products until the cards are EOL

 

[Silent_Scone]

Another AMD stereotype. Yay.

 

[sprite1275]

power usage many argue if you a gamer doesn't matter but it does to the cost.

often a power hungry card can mean a psu upgrade which is often 100 quid on top of gpu card price.

that alone has cost 290 sales a lot.

but im sure a 290 is only 90w more in gaming than a 970. ive just tested my rig with a power monitor and my system drew 309w running firestrike. so using a 290 you would be using 399w. A 500w PSU would be fine on that.

EDIT; if your lecy is around 13p kwh then a 290 costs about 11p an hour extra to run than a 970 (when gaming)

 

[eddyr]

power usage many argue if you a gamer doesn't matter but it does to the cost.

often a power hungry card can mean a psu upgrade which is often 100 quid on top of gpu card price.

that alone has cost 290 sales a lot.

It's power usage isn't unusual for a top range card, before the current release cycle you 250+ guzzler at the top was standard. The 980 is unusually low, read into that as one wants. Should fat maxwell come along it will drink power like mad too.

 

[Harlequin]

power usage many argue if you a gamer doesn't matter but it does to the cost.

often a power hungry card can mean a psu upgrade which is often 100 quid on top of gpu card price.

that alone has cost 290 sales a lot.

since I have already linked that the GTX 780ti uses very very similar power to the R9 290x - are you saying the same about NVidia products and psu`s as well?

 

[Final8y]

• James owns a 970.
• This thread is about the 970
• You talk about everything except the 970

Seriously, you are being obtuse and stubborn to validate your own choices and not allowing anyone else to have a point that doesn't think the same as you. A very immature way of looking at things and not really justified in this thread. It isn't like you even own nVidia, let alone a 970 and then have the cheek to whinge about inflated nVidia prices.

Crazy talk.

You are totally off the mark on all aspects, he has a right to his opinion i never said he didn't, but it does not mean i have to agree with them and thats all it is.

And yes i have a right to whinge about NV over all prices of there products in general, an exception to the rules does not change that.

And you pull out the typical fail joker card..oh you dont own the product so you dont have a right to an opinion, as if the particular aspect requires ownership for first hand experience is required.

And no the fact that my comment was a general one and that you and James are trying to sweep it under the carpet because its not specifically about the 970 means its you who is being obtuse and stubborn not me because instead of accepting the validity the comment for what it (valid but off topic) is the best you and james can do if cry off topic and try to make out that the comment has no validity because it was not specifically about the 970 which it was not intend to be and nether did it imply in anyway to be, but the irony of claim that its off topic but then proceed to make a torrent of 970 replies in response as if my comment was specifically about the 970 which contradicts your off topic claims.
I didn't start the off topic context so dont start crying when something that comes up hits sore spot.


And paying less is a valid choice, it dont need to justify it..

 

[Dash RipRock]

but im sure a 290 is only 90w more in gaming than a 970. ive just tested my rig with a power monitor and my system drew 309w running firestrike. so using a 290 you would be using 399w. A 500w PSU would be fine on that.

EDIT; if your lecy is around 13p kwh then a 290 costs about 11p an hour extra to run than a 970 (when gaming)

No it's around 13p dearer every 11 hours of gaming.and that means running at full tilt for those 11 hours also.any desktop browsing/general usage would mean even more hours required to get that 13 p extra.People need to stop using the cost of electric as if it adds a massive amount to your bill over a year of usage.

A gpu that uses 100 w more compared to another would still require 10 hours of SOLID running at full speed to incur an extra 13/14p based on average uk cost per kilowatt.so even if you gamed on a very intensive game for 10 hours a day for a month it would be 30 x £0.14=£4.20.so around £50 in a year......running a game at 100% gpu load for 10 hours a day 365 days a year.....yeah unrealistic

 

[Gregster]

You are totally off the mark on all aspects,

I only got that far and stopped reading.... I am not totally off the mark when I show that:

• James owns a 970.
• This thread is about the 970
• You talk about everything except the 970

So please show me where I am totally off the mark on all aspects. This thread is about the 970 and potential problems, James owns a 970 and finally, you don't want to include the 970 in your argument of inflated nVidia prices.

Not sure what else I can say but it looks to me like it is you who is totally off the mark. I don't have anything better to do for a couple of hours, so I will happily respond