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970's having performance issues using 4GB Vram - Nvidia investigating

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Rusty0611 said:
Of course it does. You're the one that made the bad comparison.

If you're conpletely happy with a card then just sort a return out on it as and when it becomes an issue.
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How does it matter? I'm repeating myself, but you're paying for something you don't get... if you're happy with that then fine, seems like you would be, but most people aren't.
 
Jinjur said:
What about in maybe, 3 years when you can finally afford 4K and/or games really starts stressing the card at 1080?

You think anyone would honour that?

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You have a warranty period and you're protected by that for its length. If you think you're playing 4K at acceptable frame rates with 1 970 then think again.

I'd think that the number of people running 970 SLI in 3 years time will be minuscule.

Note that I'm not defending nVidia or retailers: merely pointing out my distaste at the entitlement culture that seems to exist sometimes where people will look for any excuse to gain something. If you are genuinely affected by this in an actual game then as I said earlier knock yourself out and pursue a refund.
 
I paid for 4Gb cards to ensure a certain amount of future proofing but with this memory issue that's completely out the window.

I have to knock the texture settings down at 4k as it because a mess but now I know why now.
 
Legend said:
How does it matter? I'm repeating myself, but you're paying for something you don't get... if you're happy with that then fine, seems like you would be, but most people aren't.
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It matters... because it matters. What matters is surely what affects you. Why be bothered if you're not affected?

We'll have to simply agree to disagree.
 
I really can't believe someone is actually trying to make this a non issue because it may not be apparent in everyday use. It is clearly a fault, and clearly needs to either be fixed or refunds offered.
 
Rusty0611 said:
You have a warranty period and you're protected by that for its length. If you think you're playing 4K at acceptable frame rates with 1 970 then think again.

I'd think that the number of people running 970 SLI in 3 years time will be minuscule.

Note that I'm not defending nVidia or retailers: merely pointing out my distaste at the entitlement culture that seems to exist sometimes where people will look for any excuse to gain something. If you are genuinely affected by this in an actual game then as I said earlier knock yourself out and pursue a refund.
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Well, aside from the obvious fact that a fault is still a fault, regardless of whether it affects you or not... the problem is certainly nothing to do with 4K. The issue is... and you can 100% guarantee this WILL be a problem at some point in the near future... when a game requires 4GB (or near as dammit) RAM to run smoothly, and everyone with a 970 who PAID for 4GB is only getting 3.5GB max (maybe less going by some reports). You can certainly argue that here and now today it makes little difference because few game utilise that 4GB, but this will absolutely not always be the case, and herein lies the problem!
 
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has any1 put in a webnote to see where you stand? maybe ocuk get some sort of answer out of nvidia?

fighting with rusty wont fix ur card will only make you more mad :)
 
Legend said:
Of course, but the issue isn't 4K. The issue is... and you can 100% guarantee this WILL be a problem at some point in the near future... when a game requires 4GB (or near as dammit) RAM to run smoothly, and everyone with a 970 who PAID for 4GB is only getting 3.5GB max (maybe less going by some reports). You can certainly argue that here and now today it makes little difference because precious few game utilise that 4GB, but this will absolutely not always be the case, and herein lies the problem!
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Yes and that is what your warranty period will cover you for if you are affected.

ReCoN1989 said:
I really can't believe someone is actually trying to make this a non issue because it may not be apparent in everyday use. It is clearly a fault, and clearly needs to either be fixed or refunds offered.
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I suggest you re-read the words to follow what is being said. I'm not saying it's NOT an issue. I'm arguing that until it affects you why bother returning a card which is otherwise fine.

If it is affecting you then evidently it is an issue. :confused:
 
Rusty0611 said:
I'm not saying it's NOT an issue. I'm arguing that until it affects you why bother returning a card which is otherwise fine.

If it is affecting you then evidently it is an issue. :confused:
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Until Nvidia reveal more, I doubt any returns would be accepted on this basis anyway. Who knows how long it will take for them to comment on this further, and confirm one way or the other what the situation is. We may be in for a wait.
 
while I feel for 970 users what I do find tragic is certain people in this thread who seem to be getting enjoyment at other peoples potential misery all because they prefer another manufacturer, all time new low for me.
 
Rusty0611 said:
I'm arguing that until it affects you why bother returning a card which is otherwise fine.

If it is affecting you then evidently it is an issue. :confused:
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Because people paid out for a GPU with 4gb of RAM? RAM isn't free on a GPU, it's part of the overall cost :confused::p

I see what you're saying though, but on the flip side, people might not have bought their cards in the first place, if this does actually turn out to be a hardware fault.
 
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Legend said:
Until Nvidia reveal more, I doubt any returns would be accepted on this basis anyway. Who knows how long it will take for them to comment on this further, and confirm one way or the other what the situation is. We may be in for a wait.
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They'll have no choice if it is indeed a problem which can be easily replicated by users on 4K monitors. It'll hit the tech sites and do the rounds.

Wizzfizz said:
Because people paid out for a GPU with 4gb of RAM? :confused::p
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We've already been through that. If you're only playing games which use 1.5GB then you're diamond anyway. Of course that may change in the future in which case your warranty can be invoked.
 
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Wizzfizz said:
Because people paid out for a GPU with 4gb of RAM which they though would be used? :confused::eek::p
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The very knowledge may effect people which he is not taking into consideration. I for one would be less happy than I was with my purchase and if I knew of the fault before purchase most likely would not have even considered the card.
 
Rusty0611 said:
They'll have no choice if it is indeed a problem which can be easily replicated by users on 4K monitors. It'll hit the tech sites and do the rounds.
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True, but at the same time you don't NEED to have a problem to return it, IF it is an unfixable hardware fault that means you effectively have at least 12.5% less memory than you paid for! But it's INEVITABLE this WILL be a problem if it can't be fixed. Just as games that fully utilise 2GB of RAM nowadays (i.e many of them), if they were only able to use 1.5GB, there is NO DOUBT this would affect pretty much everyone!
 
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