A Harry Potter thread.

havent read any of the books. Film was quite good though as has been mentioned i had to google to get clearer answers on the whole story.

Quite a sad Snape death though :(

Unrequited love...we've all been there ehh.
 
Harry didn't die because he was the true master of the eldar wand, it having passed from Dumbledore to Draco to Harry, thus when Voldemort 'killed him' the only thing it was effective agaisnt was his horcrux, Harry thus was given the option to return.

The book makes a point of explaining that Harry's sacrifice gave the same protection via the same method his mother used on him to everybody, thus voldemort was unable to harm anybody (as happened in the book) and his spells were inffective against Harry due to Harry being the eldar wands master.

Harry was getting his backside kicked in the film was classic hollywood crap, the book portayed Voldemort as being completely ineffectual during the ultimate fight and Harry explained to him why during the duel before killing him in front of everybody.
 
I haven't read the books for a few years (going to start them again soon though) but when Harry gets to 'speak' to Dumbledore at Kings Cross I don't think it was Dumbledores intention to give Harry the wand, in fact in the film at least Dumbledore is trying to surrender it when Draco 'defeats' it on the Astronomy Tower.

Then again, I'd always assumed that the Elder Wand belonging to Harry was why Voldermort couldn't kill him as it was unable to defeat its rightful owner.
 
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Been awhile since I read it but isn't the point of Harry having all 3 of the Hallows that together they give 'mastery over death'? The mastery over death is mostly shown in the film and described in the book as being willing to die for love thou. The Hallows don't really give him any power (he never really uses them) so I don't know why Dumbledore would give them to him (in a round about way) unless it was to give him the ability to come back from dying.
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Dumbledore didn't give Harry the Hallows. On the contrary, he doesn't want Harry to seek the Hallows, as he feared they would enthrall him as they did Dumbledore. The entire point of the final book is the decision Harry has to make on whether to seek the Hallows or the Horcruxes, and he fights the initial temptation to go for the Hallows. If i remember, Dumbledore's portrait (or the Harry's Head Dumbledore) tells Harry he relied on Hermione to slow him down on this count. Harry feels rather indignant when they discover the story of the Hallows and that Dumbledore knew all along, but did not confide this important piece of game changing information with him.

The fact that Harry eventually collects all 3 Hallows anyway without seeking them shows that he is the true master of death. Not because he has collected them, but because he learns to accepts that death is inevitable and is no longer afraid of it. Because of this, he drops the Resurrection Stone in the forest and has no intention of seeking it, he repairs his own wand with the Elder Wand and then plans to keep the Elder Wand until he dies a natural death, thus breaking the wand's power (as it would never have been won from him). He keeps the cloak. Harry recognised that, just as in The Tale of the Three Brothers, the cloak is the most noble of the three Hallows; it's true value, of course, being that it allows you to shield others, not just yourself. Dumbledore also admits that he failed to recognise this, but harry never succumbed to the temptation of the other two hallows, despite his massive losses (Resurrection Stone for Parents, Sirius etc) and overwhelming adversity (Wand for Voldemort).
 
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should be excited to see this but im not....without sounding like 'one of those' i already know its going to be epically disappointing when compared to reading the book.

cant get over how much stuff p1 missed out
 
If you think of the book as "bonus material", the film is actually pretty good. i got very hung up over how bad HBP was compared to the book, and when i dropped that pretense, DHP2 was actually pretty good.
 
I really liked the HBP film, it was one of the few films that felt like a normal year at Hogwarts with bigger undercurrents running through it. Usually everyone is just rushing from one plot point to the other. Example of this is when Ron and Harry go to Potions and need a potions book, the little throw away scene of them opening the cupboard and fighting over the nice clean copy of the book reminded me so much of school. :)

That said the lack of the battle near the astronomy tower was a disappointment.
 
I enjoyed the final film, but I don't think it's as good as the score on IMDB or RottenTomatoes suggests.

A 7/10 for me.
 
Saw this last night , it was better than part 1 in that it actually included a lot of book material BUT when you compare it the book its a bit of a mess and makes little sense.
Scenes that spand 50+ pages in the book are cut to less than a minute or two and worst of all most of the characterisations are completely removed.

the biggest **** up in my opinion is when the goblin goes from teleporting out to being found dead in 1 scene swipe....no explanation no nothing, and if you hadnt of read the book it would be a big WTF.

whilst again not as bad as part 1 (in particular that dreadful MoM scene) it still left me wishing they perhaps had a better director/team on board to come up with a script that did work on all counts - its not as if they didnt have time to play with! nearly 4 hours of film....


the cgi was nice though, the 3d was epic fail as usual.
 
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Ok as somone that didnt read it i just thought the goblin was killed as the dragon??? was escaping? Even though that was before hand thinking about it, but at the time i didnt really care as he seemed a trivial charcter.. just a means to the end.

What happened in the book to him ? :O
 
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Ok as somone that didnt read it i just thought the goblin was killed as the dragon??? was escaping? Even though that was before hand thinking about it, but at the time i didnt really care as he seemed a trivial charcter.. just a means to the end.

What happened in the book to him ? :O
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he gets summoned to the manor to tell vldemort that harry stole the cup , voldemort gets a bit ****ed off with him and kills him and everyone else.
its a pretty drawn out scene in the book but covered in 30 seconds in the film....but hey ho.

its a film , im glad they made it just thought it could have been better given the time it got to tell the story.
 
One thing I've also wondered is how close Avada Kedavra is to Abra Cadabra. All those years watching Ali Bongo, if he'd just had one too many the night before he could have wiped out a whole class of nine year olds.
 
Any body else disappointed how Bellatrix Lestrange was killed? She was a kick ass evil witch, would have thought one-on-one she would have been a match for almost anyone!

edit: only seen the films, not read any books.
 
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Bubo said:
One thing I've also wondered is how close Avada Kedavra is to Abra Cadabra. All those years watching Ali Bongo, if he'd just had one too many the night before he could have wiped out a whole class of nine year olds.
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Read about the history of the word.

JK adopted it as the killing curse, it's historically (or something like that) been used to remove illness and such? She slightly changed the meaning of the word in her universe, which is something she does quite a lot.

Can't quite remember of the top of my head.
 
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Any body else disappointed how Bellatrix Lestrange was killed? She was a kick ass evil witch, would have thought one-on-one she would have been a match for almost anyone!

edit: only seen the films, not read any books.
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In the books, she tries to kill Ginny, then taunts Molly Weasley about Fred dying and how Ginny is going to go the same way. Molly's blind fury causes her to kill Bellatrix (and to shout, "not my daughter, you *****!") - ordinarily she wouldn't be any match for Bella but in this case, she's avenging her child's death which gives her the edge.

It was a great part of the book actually, because Voldemort witnesses it and is furious, tries to kill Molly and that's when Harry puts a shield charm round Molly, reveals himself and shows that he survived the killing curse again, leading to their final battle.
 
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